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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotem View Post
    Using FC points to purchase FC housing removes RMT from the equation. That's good enough for me.
    This is a very good point, and one I hadn't thought of. However, as the other posters have pointed out, we don't know if there would be any incentive for RMT to buy a house at all. The only thing I can think of is if they were to sell the deeds. But to want an actual house, there would need to be be some pretty hefty bonuses for them to want it in the first place.
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    why are ppl keep talking about RMT buy house while the info goes like this: FC need to REACH CERTAIN RANK to be able to purchase house, and if you think RMT will make an FC, farm all that fate to get to lets say R5, and spend lets say 1kk-2kk gil to buy house and got ban, then you are wrong in the head, they are not that retard and do thing that bring them no profit.

    back on topic: the idea look good on paper but it doesnt work when you try to cause trouble to certain FC or player and it is not gonna work. You will cause trouble to the casual and the FC with low number of ppl and even more you cause trouble to newly created FC, they will not be able to get their own house/base for a long long time, while with gil as currency they still need time to gather gil but will not be a pain in the ass to get even with their little play time.
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    The point is that free companies are supposed to be about community hence the large capacity size.
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    Whoa, hold on here - why did RMT end up in this discussion? You don't manage your process by rule breakers. Rely on SE to solve this problem as it's intended. If we wanted to snuff out RMT by altering game processes, then just remove the market. Seems a bit drastic? Yeah, exactly.

    RMT is going to be part of housing no matter what you do - unless you do the above. Remember crafting for furniture and other housing pieces?

    Also, don't you have to be allied to a GC to even participate (no, not talking about points)? No RMT is going to bother with that when they are making their money via markets. The idea of RMT controlling prices on land is outlandish.

    Desperate posters are getting desperate.
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    No because this only benefits large FC. Gil is the only thing that guarantees everyone has an equal chance of getting an FC house. And honestly if you have so many members that you are able to save up that many seals then you should have no issues gathering up gil to purchase the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexin View Post
    No because this only benefits large FC. Gil is the only thing that guarantees everyone has an equal chance of getting an FC house. And honestly if you have so many members that you are able to save up that many seals then you should have no issues gathering up gil to purchase the house.
    If you've read some of the responses in this thread, you should realize that fairness is largely besides the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinagleABagel View Post
    If you've read some of the responses in this thread, you should realize that fairness is largely besides the point.
    Just read through and wow. I guess to completely remove RMT we will also have to use FC seals to buy furniture.

    Have yet to ask my FC leader what size we are getting but hope it's a large for all 30 of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexin View Post
    Just read through and wow. I guess to completely remove RMT we will also have to use FC seals to buy furniture.

    Have yet to ask my FC leader what size we are getting but hope it's a large for all 30 of us.
    ....and you missed the sarcasm by a mile.

    The point is that you can't stop RMT unless you make vast changes to how individuals interact with each other. Simply put, if you want a vibrant economy and not something where individuals simply do it all themselves, RMT is a reality that must be dealt with.

    Stop trying to design around RMT. It's SE's job to deliver good content for us and clean up the consequences of RMT afterwards. It's a specious argument to simply point to RMT and say well - we need to limit the uses of gil. No. You need to sink more gil and actively ban the RMT abusers.
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    Substituting 1 currency for another really accomplishes nothing but shifts or eliminates the burden. Paying, instead of a very valuable currency (gil), in free company points (almost worthless) detracts from the whole payment thing entirely. The developers have in mind how much player should have to work to obtain a house or FC house. By shifting the currency, you do not change the underlying amount of work the developers want you to do before you can buy a house. So, if we change to a FC points, you would have to expect to pay around a billion of them before you could get a small house.

    Now, if we're going to be sensible, and we want to give FC points more use, how about we have FC points in addition to gil. That way there is a collaboration of wealth and effort on the FC as a whole necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaran View Post
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    This is true to an extent. FC points are currently only worthless because we accumulate so many of them and have no way to spend them. There needs to be the possibility of spending them faster than they can be acquired to give them any real value. For that matter, we could substitute gil or FC points for GC seals. I have nothing to spend those on either.
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