In regards to quitters

[Tupsi]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

I don't know mr. Chris Kyo, controlling people via punishment did wonders for keeping the world out of complete anarchy - Don't you ever see the news and witness the outraged when some people go unchecked for crimes they commit? Remember the whole zimmerman situation? Punishing people is the best way to control situations like this, because it really ends up wasting everyone's time in the long run.

People quit after 289387 wipes? Sure, you already likely spent 45 minutes not progressing. People that quit because someone is new? People drop out because no SMN or BLM or an LB? People that Troll the Queue? Unless you yourself do that there's honestly zero reason to be against punishing certain situations.

[Rosekitten]

I've had people drop random groups a lot recently... I haven't tried to DF the primal fights yet but as far as the 4 mans people have no patience once so ever so I can only imagine the larger groups.

I'm in the process of walking my friend through how to tank runs and explain things to him and I state this at the start of the runs that he's new to mmo's and tanking. Really he's not bad at his class given he's almost 50 now and had people helping him along the way ^^

But the first mess up and the healer leaves or the first loss of agro or some little slip up.. so silly D; I would happily not put him or myself through the stress of DF but the lack of healers or people willing to do the lower end content if people need it in the FC I'm in rather gives me little to no choice.

[Molly_Millions]

I've had people drop random groups a lot recently... I haven't tried to DF the primal fights yet but as far as the 4 mans people have no patience once so ever so I can only imagine the larger groups.

I'm in the process of walking my friend through how to tank runs and explain things to him and I state this at the start of the runs that he's new to mmo's and tanking. Really he's not bad at his class given he's almost 50 now and had people helping him along the way ^^

But the first mess up and the healer leaves or the first loss of agro or some little slip up.. so silly D; I would happily not put him or myself through the stress of DF but the lack of healers or people willing to do the lower end content if people need it in the FC I'm in rather gives me little to no choice.

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?

[mythicrose]

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?

To be fair, you don't know the exact reasoning the tank left unexpected yesterday. For instance, I was doing Titan runs yesterday with my FC and had to leave unexpectedly as tornadoes ravaged my area of central Illinois. Maybe your tank left because he/she was a d-bag. Maybe there was a legit issue, like mine.

There's not fix SE can do either way. Closest "fix" is to make the dungeon in progress a default. Heavier penalties for leaving won't do anything positive but cause more people to just AFK (until a vote kick is in place....even then, vote kicks have their own issues). The only real fix is making groups with your friends and/or FC/LS people you know.

[Molly_Millions]

To be fair, you don't know the exact reasoning the tank left unexpected yesterday. For instance, I was doing Titan runs yesterday with my FC and had to leave unexpectedly as tornadoes ravaged my area of central Illinois. Maybe your tank left because he/she was a d-bag. Maybe there was a legit issue, like mine.

There's not fix SE can do either way. Closest "fix" is to make the dungeon in progress a default. Heavier penalties for leaving won't do anything positive but cause more people to just AFK (until a vote kick is in place....even then, vote kicks have their own issues). The only real fix is making groups with your friends and/or FC/LS people you know.

No, I don't. But that's exactly my complaint. A quick "/p emergency guys, gotta go" would have been good enough though. He had time enough to open the df menu and select leave, so I don't think a quick notice to the party was too much to ask.

[Rowan_Moonkeeper]

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?

Agreed. In a perfect gaming world, we would gather the players willing to work together into 1 FC & enjoy the game. Alas, a perfect gaming world does not exist & sadly never will.

I've seen ppl struggling in certain dungeons to the point when joining they are like "Please don't leave or quit. We know where we mess up." I'm like kewl np. I get it. How are ppl suppose to get better or try to learn, if we don't give them the opportunity to do so? I mean you can watch a vid over & over, have friends explain it, but honestly until you step in there firsthand & try it yourself, it's a whole different story.

DF can work... sometimes be great! For the most part look for a guild that really works together & irons out those 'bumps.' They are out there. If we could all just keep in mind not everyone is a phenomenal player bc everyone is different. We can still have a great gaming experience & feel good about helping each other along the way!

[Keith_Dragoon]

I've seen ppl struggling in certain dungeons to the point when joining they are like "Please don't leave or quit. We know where we mess up." I'm like kewl np. I get it. How are ppl suppose to get better or try to learn, if we don't give them the opportunity to do so? I mean you can watch a vid over & over, have friends explain it, but honestly until you step in there firsthand & try it yourself, it's a whole different story.

What dungeon/s are we talking about here? I make it my job to randomly que for dungeons when I am bored to help out those less fortunate with groups who don't ragequit after a simple mistake or because others are new.

[Tupsi]

24hr is a bit harsh but there NEEDs to be more of a punishment for always ditching or even trolling the queue, the only ones that'd be against any punishment are usually the ones that does it themselves.

[Kanash]

24 hours is too much. Even the douchebags are paying for a subscribtion, so there would be an outrage at SE.

15 mins is ok, but shouldent really be more than 30 mins tops. It still completely sux having to take that lockout, if you have valid reason to leave.

Last week, after sitting in DF for 45-50 mins on WHM, I finally get a group for Stone Vigil. The tank were equipped with DoW gear, a lv 25 conjurer shield and the jewelry was a mix of crafting, spiritbind and INT.
First pull, he loses lil over half his HP pool before I can even finish casting cure. Wich then made 2 mobs go "nom nom nom" on me, cause he never used flash.

So yeah. I left and took the 15 mins lockout. Afterall, that tank made me waste the time on DF aswell.


If SE could implement a mechanic, that keeps check on how often a player leaves a dungeon, then increase the lockout time for every time he leaves, withtin a certain time frame.
For example, join and leave a dungeon 4 times in an hour, the lockout is now doubled. If he leaves 4 times within another hour, its doubled yet again so its up to 1 hour lockout... dunno if that could work or even do anything.

Edit: Like Kewitt mentioned on page 1... durr me lol

I really think the 15min lock our isn't long enough for trolls.

It needs to get longer every time you do it over the Weekly reset.

[Kule]

I've had so many good Titan DF groups fall apart because some undergeared guy decided to rage quit mid heart phase.