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    HumsterMKX's Avatar
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    Helinin Landgravine
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    Actually... if a MVP system causes ppl to be pretenious of their behaviour, I personally find it bad for the community.

    Playing with 2 faced people that are only in for the rewards or dealing with actual jerks.

    I prefer honest people.

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    Celenir Istarkh
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    MVP rewards are a reward to players who are nice to strangers in the DF. If you want the rewards so badly that you will ditch your friends and queue solo, it stands to reason you will also control your mouth and manners and at least pretend to be nice. This way, "nice" people in DF increases, and the goal of the system is achieved.

    So what if you are always a nice guy (like me) but like to queue with a friend? Well you still stand to get 2 votes from the 2 strangers. Since you're only nice to 2 other strangers, instead of being nice to 3 other strangers, what makes you think you are entitled to 3 MVP votes? Similarly for the case when you queue with 2 friends, you still can get 1 vote.

    And if you always queue with 3 friends (i.e. no strangers), what make you think you are entitled to the "rewards for being nice to strangers"?

    If you don't play PVP, you are not entitled to PVP rewards.
    If you don't run AK/WP/myth-dropping-dungeon, you are not entitled to earn myth tomes.
    If you don't play Coils, you are not entitled to Coils gear drops.

    If you don't "be nice to strangers", you are not entitled to "rewards for be nice to strangers".
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    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

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    I don't understand this topic. People don't vote for you, you don't vote for them, you lose nothing.
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    Ryan Shori
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    negative nancy doesnt like change

    i feel the game needs it as to encourage team players rather than one-man-band kind of players. a good player who will get a positive vote (in my eye) would be the patience ones, the ones who can stretch outside their comfort zone to help someone struggling, and make a contribution to party chat so we're all on the same page. On the other hands I would not vote for tanks who dont wait for the party, dont label mobs, or dont take mobs off the healer. Nore would I vote for someone (usually the healer) who wanders off and opens chests before the fight is done. So you can see that this an encouraging feature not one that the 1% of bullys in the game can take advantage of.
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    Shayla Asiaine
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    *ASSUMED* MVP Drawbacks:
    -- Can only be voted for by strangers: This encourages not partying with friends before going into DF to get a chance for more votes
    -- Bias towards what is 'MVP': Only people with best gear will get MVP votes, pushing back the non-best-geared from getting rewards?
    -- Hostility: Not sure how, someone mentioned this, but would like to know how it can be abused?

    *ASSUMED* MVP Benefits:
    -- People who are normally annoying and mean might exercise a bit of self-restraint so they can get a shiny at the end of the run

    (I'm a bit sad we have to reward people to behave nice, rather than just have nice people).

    Note: A lot of 'concerns' seen here can be mitigated by another DF setting -- Play Style, where you can choose that you are 'relaxed'.
    I believe that by choosing 'Relaxed' play style you will be able to avoid the majority of Gear Obsessed/Speed Run people out there and meet nice friendly type.
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    Celestia Raine
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    I don't like this system because most of the vote will go to Healer and Tanker. There is no way to tell if a DPS is doing well because there is no DPS meters. Just wait, you will see that DPS will complains they get no Vote and Tank, Healer get all the love and vote.
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    Kirsche Verstal
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    I don't understand the logic in people calling an MVP system unfair.
    MVP is Most Valuable Player
    There is nothing unfair about saying "Guy A performed better than Guy B" There are going to be many different scenarios for why someone is voted MVP, and many different opinions on why people voted for said person. In an otherwise normal run where everything goes smoothly, but dps1 has far more gear/dealt way more damage than dps2, why would it be unfair to say dps2 is not the most valuable?
    Makes me think of the "Everyone has to get a trophy, because no one can be a loser or they might get their feelings hurt" mentality

    I think having an MVP system in-game is rather silly, as it won't really do much to promote better attitudes. If I see that someone is new here message at the beginning of an instance, I'll ask if they need anything explained with or without some point system to pat me on the head, same as the guy who doesn't want to deal with these people will either up and leave or complain upon the first wipe.
    If there are rewards to be purchased with the points, people would fake being overly nice/actually be more patient to get however many they need to buy whatever thing they want, then just go back to being normal.
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    I think a better ideas is to have a score board when clear the Instance like in PvP. How much each player Damaged Dealt, Most amount Heal, Most damaged taken, etc. This way it's fair to everyone so we don't vote the wrong person. For example someone talk more and nicely does not mean he deserved it more and is doing a better job.
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    Mewchat Bogz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaiken View Post
    I think a better ideas is to have a score board when clear the Instance like in PvP. How much each player Damaged Dealt, Most amount Heal, Most damaged taken, etc. This way it's fair to everyone so we don't vote the wrong person. For example someone talk more and nicely does not mean he deserved it more and is doing a better job.
    I can see it. The Bard spamming AOE and kitting so he can be the best DPS, the healer spending more time nuking than healing (and a dead DPS is less competition) ... like those basketball players who are sacrificing their team victory so they can get their triple-double stats.
    I'm so looking forward to that
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    Jinrya Geki
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    The easiest/best way to prevent harassment or abuse...

    Vote for me if I am in your duty finder

    I give the best huggles as a Red Wizard, and you will get one if you vote me MVP!
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