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    Mindblowingly new-old idea-question that would reduce queue times for DD's

    Parties in FFXIV are 4-8 people.

    The standard(light) party is 4 people.
    Tank x1
    Healer x1
    DD x2


    Before, in the days of the game people cant mention without massive nerd-rage.

    Parties were 6.
    Tank x1
    Healer x1
    Support x0-1
    DD x3-4

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    Understandably most content has been geared for the 4 person party, or 8 person mini-alliance.

    But why?

    In the before times, we had parties of 6, with a full alliance, 3 parties, being 18 people.

    The larger raids now, will be 24 people. Or, 6 light parties.

    As the game goes on, and future content gets added, if a 24 person event were added to DF would that mean we needed 6 tanks, and 6 healers?

    With a 6 person party, that's only 4 tanks, 4 healers.

    From the description of crystal tower, it seems the groups will split up from time to time, but then, why have them all together if you are going to divide them up anyway?

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    Since FF14 does not have a true 'support' class. (Scholar and Bard are close)

    If we went back to the old party sizes, 2 additional DD's could get a group per instance.

    You may all compliment my brilliance now.
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    You're right, no mmo I've ever played has had a active tanking healing population to support 4 man parties. Spin it however they want, most players don't like the responsibility. (Tanking is "boring"? Waiting on queue is pretty boring)
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    I always just wished that if the tank was taking too long they could just spawn an NPC who could tank the dungeon for you.
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    Want to hear something mindblowing? What if its 3 8man parties! that would be 6 tanks 6 healers
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    I... said that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazamoto View Post
    As the game goes on, and future content gets added, if a 24 person event were added to DF would that mean we needed 6 tanks, and 6 healers?
    Current df content allows pretty much any party make up we want.

    Heck, as long as you have the right number of people, i believe you can do DF content with any premade party mix.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    you know, raising amout of DD slot don't change the fact no one will ever start if there isn't a single tank. you're welcome
    Thats the beauty of it, people queue eventually once the tanks finally queue. But with this plan, MORE dd's get in per tank.
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    you know, raising amout of DD slot don't change the fact no one will ever start if there isn't a single tank. you're welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    you know, raising amout of DD slot don't change the fact no one will ever start if there isn't a single tank. you're welcome
    The point is that a set tank population would be able to support a larger DPS population more efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralemont View Post
    The point is that a set tank population would be able to support a larger DPS population more efficiently.
    Hmmm. It'll work for sure.
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    They would totally have to re-balance every single dungeon and instance for 6 man instead of four. While this would have been a good idea at launch, I feel it'd be way too much work to implement it now. Major balance changes to 20+ instances is a lot of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noahlimits View Post
    They would totally have to re-balance every single dungeon and instance for 6 man instead of four. While this would have been a good idea at launch, I feel it'd be way too much work to implement it now. Major balance changes to 20+ instances is a lot of work.
    "Every single instance"

    No they wouldn't. They might rebalance WP and AK (they should) but who honestly cares if leveling dungeons are easier. AK, you're gaining like 2x the dps so just make the HP 1.5-2x what it is, rebalance the bosses and victory.

    Heck, for all leveling dungeons, make the hp 1.5x. Winner.
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