Mindblowingly new-old idea-question that would reduce queue times for DD's

[Astarica]

If you've been playing tank consistently in MMORPGs you'd realize there's a trend toward making tanks irrelevent which is why if you're actually good enough to play a tank back in the old days where tanking was hard, you'd gradually graviate toward another class (almost certainly DPS) once you realize your class's role is marginalized. Take the hardest 4-man DF content, AK. The hardest boss, Demon Wall, doesn't even have an aggro list (his nuking patter is random). The final boss, Anataboga, basically features the tank standing in a spot and never moving. This is because devs eventually realized that making tanking a bottleneck fails in two ways. First, you'd actually need someone good to be a tank, and second, if you've someone good at a tank, then that guy can often carry the whole group by himself and you don't want that either. This design, however, inevitably leads to a shortage in tank. Increasing the DPS to tank ratio wouldn't help much, because if you need less tanks, more tanks will realize their irrelevance and reroll as DPS and thus skewing the ratio. You can't live without tanks, but they don't need to be great players, which is why you don't have very many tanks.

[Hanabira]

I dunno if this has been mentioned, but making parties 1 tank 1 healer and the rest DD would pretty much turn battles into every other game. Where basically the tank holds the mob away, the healer spamscure on them, and the DDs just spam away. The way we have it now, you can act as 2 smaller parties with different roles and the battles can be much more creative, IE coil. (split mechanics, ADS stacking mechanics) etc

[Naunet]

I dunno if this has been mentioned, but making parties 1 tank 1 healer and the rest DD would pretty much turn battles into every other game. Where basically the tank holds the mob away, the healer spamscure on them, and the DDs just spam away. The way we have it now, you can act as 2 smaller parties with different roles and the battles can be much more creative, IE coil. (split mechanics, ADS stacking mechanics) etc

None of those mechanics are actually new, and a 5 (or 6) person standard party transformed into a 10 or 20 or 25 (or whatever) raid has led to some extremely creative mechanics in the games you've decided are nothing more than tank and spank.

[zdub303]

None of those mechanics are actually new, and a 5 (or 6) person standard party transformed into a 10 or 20 or 25 (or whatever) raid has led to some extremely creative mechanics in the games you've decided are nothing more than tank and spank.

I agree, in most other games (that i've played), the 20 man raids usually only had and/or needed 2-3 tanks anyways. In FF14 a 24 man raid will have 6 (SIX!!!) tanks. Tbh that seems a little silly.

[Hanabira]

None of those mechanics are actually new, and a 5 (or 6) person standard party transformed into a 10 or 20 or 25 (or whatever) raid has led to some extremely creative mechanics in the games you've decided are nothing more than tank and spank.

I never said it was new, but stuff like that is impossible with a single tank and healer. the fights have to be designed in a way where the battles are relatively safe because a single healer wont be able to keep the tank and the dps alive. And 10,20 and 25 man parties have creative mechanics because like a ffxiv 8 man, multiple tanks, multiple healers can be used to form smaller parties and introduce new mechanics to battle than just a simple hold hate and hit hard. you proved my point.

I agree, in most other games (that i've played), the 20 man raids usually only had and/or needed 2-3 tanks anyways. In FF14 a 24 man raid will have 6 (SIX!!!) tanks. Tbh that seems a little silly.

i bet you those battles will have some very interesting mechanics that utilize all of them. of course better parties will be able to reduce it to likely 4 tanks, but you know what i mean.

[ashikenshin]

Tanks are hard to come by in dungeons. For raids you are not needed anymore. Anyone wants a warrior for titan? anyone? I'm pretty geared! no? okay ok, so coils! anyone want a warrior for coils? no? paladin? you are full on tanks? okay

[Ri_ri]

How about you threat tanks and healers better, so more people are willing to play them?

[CianaIezuborn]

This post has 2 likes, but don't worry, there's nothing wrong with the community >.<

I don't agree with the presentation, but I can understand the sentiment.

I played Rift previous to this, and due to the ability to change roles in the middle of a dungeon and the wildly differing requirements from encounter to encounter, you had to be adaptable for raids. Tanks had to be able to dps or heal, healers needed to be able to dps, dps needed to be able to heal, support needed to be able to do something else.

I've had to deal with raiders that refused to ever switch from their desired role to the detriment of the other 19 folks in the group. Those were the first folks that got dropped when we had over 20 raiders on. They were most often dps that didn't want to pick up a support/heal/tank role, but I ran into tanks that only wanted to be MT and healers that only wanted to tank heal.

Not being adaptable in a team based game and then complaining that you're left on the bench is essentially what they're doing. On the other hand trying to change the size of the team so more folks can play is at least positive.