Quote Originally Posted by Altena View Post
It's actually 280 potency for Thunder 3..
The base damage for Thunder 3 goes upto 340 if you get a Thundercloud proc.
When that is the case, the total damage for Thunder 3 goes upto a staggering 620 potency? I am terrible at math..
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With a Thundercloud proc, yes.
Without, then no it is not.
Well, you're right about being bad at math.

Thunder 3 does 60 initial potency upon hit, and then has 8 ticks at 35 potency each. 60 + (8 * 35) = 340 potency.

Thundercloud procs add their full damage over time to their initial damage, and then apply the DoT. So Thundercloud procs do:

(8 * 35) + 60 + (8 * 35) = 620 potency.
Well it is if you are speaking in raw potency, however Flare will only ever be used under Astral Fire- so the raw potency of Flare isn't very comparable at all.
With 1 stack of Astral Fire, fire-based attacks will do 40% more damage. With 2 stacks, 60%. With 3 stacks of Astral Fire, fire-based attacks will do 80% more damage. So a fully buffed Flare cast with 3 stacks of Astral Fire has 488 potency.

And as I said before, it has a 4 second cast time and costs all the BLM's MP.
Yes but you are missing my point. DoT's are pretty much the bread and butter of DRG's damage. If you don't maintain DoTs then you will do crap damage.. ...
The other classes however are less reliant on the damage from the actual DoT - and more reliant on the additional effects / procs that go with them.
MNK as mentioned earlier, is more focussed on lowering GCD so they can fit more skills in.
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Basically what I have been saying this whole time here: The primary focus / only thing you have to really pay attention to on DRG is keeping all buffs and DoT's up. The rest is simply filler.
Again, the math says you're just wrong here. MNK gets a higher percentage of its damage from buffs and DoTs than DRG. MNK's buffs account for about 40% of its DPS. MNK has to re-apply its DoTs every 6 to 15 attacks (it varies depending on GCD and the DoT's duration). And MNK has to re-apply its buffs literally every 3-6 attacks. Many MNKs have to completely drop certain higher potency attacks from their rotation to make sure those buffs are always up.

And how does MNK lower its GCD? By getting its buffs up, and keeping them up. So the primary focus for MNK is getting your buffs/DoTs up, and keeping them up.

Yes, a MNK can drop DoTs from its rotation. But it's DPS is going to drop. And a MNK can drop buffs from its rotation, but its DPS is going to horrendous.

So your argument doesn't make any sense. You probably give more attention to keeping your DoTs/buffs up on DRG than the "filler" attacks. But that's not because most of your damage comes from keeping those DoTs/buffs up. It's because -- like every other class in the game -- getting those buffs and DoTs up and keeping them up is complicated.

You want to see some serious hair pulling? Start a thread in the MNK forums asking whether it's better to use Bootshine and True Strike. Better yet, ask a group of MNKs what skills they use after Perfect Balance. I don't think I've ever heard two MNKs that use the same skill rotation while Perfect Balance is up. Because it's so incredibly complicated that the community hasn't even arrived at one set answer.

The fact of the matter is that DRG's DoTs/buffs are no more important than other classes' DoTs/buffs. I honestly think you should play some end-game MNK, and see if you still think DRG's "bread and butter" are their DoTs and buffs.
So wait a sec.. The only reason you bring a DRG is so you can buff 1 other player's damage? Never knew my role as the only 2 handed, "heavy" DPS class in the game just happened to turn into a support role for an Archer...
I can only assume you're being intentionally dishonest here. The very next statement I provided a list of several reasons to include DRG other than buffing BRD damage. You apparently chose to ignore that list, and focus on one part of one statement. That's dishonest.

I never said that, I never implied that, and in fact it's the opposite of what I said. I can only assume you've given up on being constructive, and are trolling now. That's disappointing.