DRG is unbalanced and desperately needs a buff.

[Altena]

Nice ninja edit, i saw what you did there.

Ninja edit? I edited it before you posted actually..

Please note your time of post, and my time of edit. This is also evident by the text that you quoted from my post - Nothing of relevance was changed.

I also didn't edit what you claim. I actually simply added:

People are ignoring the one major point of this thread..
DRG has no utility.
It is a DPS class, and can do only one thing - DPS.
BRD, BLM, SMN all have a lot more utility.
They can also deal as much or more damage then DRG. (Fight depending, as I said in OP).
They don't have to worry about AoE's.
Why should any of them even be close to a melee DPS class that can't do anything but DPS?

MNK was an example of where DRG should be sitting. MNK is currently in a good place.

[Zantetsuken]

Changes I'd like to see:

Jump: Although full immunity while jumping is apparently off the table due to balance issues, the animation should at least grant a defensive bonus while you are up in the air. (+20 to all resistances, +10 slash/blunt/piercing) - This makes it very useful in boss fights, and much more faithful to the FF tradition.

Power Surge: This currently increase damage from Jump and Spineshatter dive by 50%. It should be increased to 100% and also extend to Dragonfire dive.

[Aldora]

Striking is for MNK.
Maiming is for DRG.

Relic body is far superior to Allagan body.



You cannot compare an iLvl 70 to an iLvl 90 body piece.



DS Hauby is a downgrade from iLvl 90, just based on STR alone.
Once again - Relic body is far superior.



Dragoon relic body is BiS.

Plllleassssse know what you are talking about, before giving advice.
Also my Lodestone profile has been linked in a previous post.

My bad on the Allagan body, but I was mostly talking about the type of stats any way. I just dropped in to give my input on the subject, but it appears that it's not appreciated, so I'll just leave you all to it and show myself to the door.

Have a nice day. (^_^ )/

[Akk]

I thought the main points for Dragoon was that it was supposed to be a more forgiving type of melee damage, while being good at both single-target and area damage. I thought a big part of that was that they were supposed be invulnerable during any jumping attack animation.

I think comparing any job to Bard or Black Mage as they are now is a mistake, since they both have so much utility and relatively easy DPS for both single-target and area damage with very minor downsides.

[Hanemakikaze]

DRG has no utility.

Um...buffing all piercing damage in the group isn't utility? Completely wiping all your threat with press of a button along with perfect zoning thrown in? Monk has what, mantra? One buffs damage for themselves along with the bards in your party & the other buffs healing. I run coil on my drg and believe it or not that debuff is pretty huge with all the bards we have in my coil group, especially for turn 2. Anyway, I don't find drg to be anywhere near as weak as you're making them out to be, it's not unnatural for black mage to be over the top strong as that's how it's always been, and as a monk myself I know they have to work extra hard to put up their numbers and those are the only two classes that I've seen show up drg in coil.

[Tenku]

Anybody who says MNK is harder to play to keep top dps compared to DRG is delusional. I have both to 50 and MNKs are easy mode and it's extremely easy to keep up greased lightning in all fights except Garuda. MNKs are also the only class that can use brute force macros for all their combos which makes it 100x easier to maximize their skill speed. In order for DRG to be comparable to any DPS, they have to get close to their 27 hit rotation as possible. DRG also more often than not dies while trying to maximize dps due to jumps being not invulnerable, but i prefer it that way because it separates me from the bad DRGs.

[Zezlar]

Poor spike damage? I do over 1,000 dmg a lot, what are you doing 500?

[Altena]

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By all piercing damage, you mean their own, and the 1 or 2 BRDs in the party? Hmm let's compare this for just one second.
+10% piercing damage is equivalent to Foe Req, Ballad, Paeon, AOE Attack down (RoD), an extremely short animation interrupt (the fastest in game currently), Shadowbind.

Ok so DRG's job is to buff the BRDs and do mediocre damage. So the already useful BRDs can be more useful.
Sounds balanced.

Enmity is a non-issue in end-game when playing with any decent tank. Not that their mediocre damage can pull hate to begin with unless your tank truly is garbage.

Please read your statement about BLM back to yourself and tell me why this is not a bad thing? Why should BLM be "over the top strong", offer the utility of multiple CC's (Sleep, Blizzard 2, Freeze) and buffs/debuffs (Apocatastasis, Lethargy). As well as superior AoE DPS and very high single target DPS.

Once again, sounds balanced.

As for MNK, while doing "the most optimal" rotation means running around like a madman, simply doing a flank only rotation can push far ahead of a DRG in a tank and spank - which is actually far less effort then what you have to do on DRG to get even close to those numbers.

Yes they are weak.

Anybody who says MNK is harder to play to keep top dps compared to DRG is delusional. I have both to 50 and MNKs are easy mode and it's extremely easy to keep up greased lightning in all fights except Garuda. MNKs are also the only class that can use brute force macros for all their combos which makes it 100x easier to maximize their skill speed. In order for DRG to be comparable to any DPS, they have to get close to their 27 hit rotation as possible. DRG also more often than not dies while trying to maximize dps due to jumps being not invulnerable, but i prefer it that way because it separates me from the bad DRGs.

This is a highly accurate statement.

Poor spike damage? I do over 1,000 dmg a lot, what are you doing 500?

A standard combo'd FT without B4B hits for around 600 with my gear.
A lucky crit hits for around 800-850. Sometimes a touch lower.
A buffed crit hits for around 1050.

A Fire 1 on my extremely gimp alt character's BLM hits for 600 with Astral 3.
Crit anywhere around the 1100-1300 mark.

[AlphaDragoon]

Anybody who says MNK is harder to play to keep top dps compared to DRG is delusional. I have both to 50 and MNKs are easy mode and it's extremely easy to keep up greased lightning in all fights except Garuda. MNKs are also the only class that can use brute force macros for all their combos which makes it 100x easier to maximize their skill speed.

Macros on a Monk? Uh...I wouldn't suggest that at all. Playing a Monk at a high level requires fluidity and improvisation at times that you won't get if you just use a macro. And I definitely wouldn't call playing a Monk "easy mode" given the staggering amount of bad Monks there are.

You don't have to try and discredit the skill required to play another class needlessly to make your point.

[Tenku]

Macros on a Monk? Uh...I wouldn't suggest that at all. Playing a Monk at a high level requires fluidity and improvisation at times that you won't get if you just use a macro. And I definitely wouldn't call playing a Monk "easy mode" given the staggering amount of bad Monks there are.

You don't have to try and discredit the skill required to play another class needlessly to make your point.

You're bad. Learn to Brute Force Macro.