DRG is unbalanced and desperately needs a buff.

[Altena]

DRG has some major issues that extend beyond the long animation lock of its core advanced job skills (Jump), and I am going to touch on a few of these issues.

- DPS is actually quite bad in comparison to other jobs, most apparent when looking at MNK and BLM. (inb4 learn to play, DRG's "rotation" is fairly dry and doesn't really deviate - keep your buffs up & use FT combo as filler..)



- They have poor spike damage (most of their damage comes from DoT).




- Their subclass selection is terrible. PGL? Ok fair enough. MRD, a tanking class? Really? At least allow us to use Archer..



- They have access to very few buffs that increase damage. Bard gets Barrage, Raging Strikes, B4B, Internal Release, Hawks Eye, Straight Shot, which all increase damage one way or another, DRG gets B4B, Internal Release and Heavy Thrust...



- They have 2 particular skills that are essentially useless or highly situational. (I have never needed to use Feint in my DRG lifetime, and Keen Flurry is only extremely situational.


- Their ultimate level 50 skill - "Dragonfire Dive" isn't that "ultimate". Especially on a 3 min cool down. Closest comparison to this would be BLM's "Flare" which to begin with is on GCD (so you can use it whenever you like at the cost of MP), Flare also has more potency, and is affected by the damage boost from Astral Fire.


- They lack any form of "special mechanic". Jump isn't a mechanic. It's an ability - you use it. It does damage..

When asked the question what sort of interesting mechanics will we see from Dragoon, Yoshi stated that DRG is about using directional combos to increase damage, and Jump. This only applies to 2 skills, Impulse (behind) & Heavy (flank).

MNK is more positional then this, and in addition to they have the freedom of stances, which allows a lot more flexibility in how you play the class, as well as allowing you to keep buffs up exactly when they are needed. (While certain rotations do not require it, it is still a lot more flexible).

Why on the face of this earth did you guys remove the 1.0 Power Surge mechanic? You basically ditched it on DRG and gave a similar one to MNK.. While it wasn't the most "creative" mechanic, it was certainly a whole lot more interesting then "keep DoT's up, spam FT".

I guess my issue with this point, and I know it's a long point, is that it feels like MNK got the special treatment here, and anything interesting about playing the current melee DPS, were all given to MNK.



- They lack utility.

This may be another long point, but this is mainly about job balance.
Currently BLM and MNK are king of the hill in terms of DPS.
BRD is also fairly high (and SMN in some instances).

DRG is quite honestly the weakest DPS class, but in addition to this it also has NO utility, where all other classes do. Ok that's a lie - it has one use above its standard role - To buff the BRD's dps with Disembowel !

Seriously though, this part of my post is honestly the biggest problem with DRG in its current state.

It doesn't have the damage to compete with the top tier melee DPS (Monk).
It doesn't have the utility or the damage to be remotely balanced to BRD or BLM.

So I have a question - Why play a sub-optimal melee DPS class, that is inferior to all other classes in pretty much every situation and fairly basic mechanics, when you could jump on a class like BRD and have low risk of getting hit, the ability to support your party with buffs, and do more damage? Because it looks cool?

Do classes like BRD really need a nerf? Not really, but DRG is in dire need of a buff.

Truly it should be sitting on equal footing to MNK in terms of achievable DPS.

[storm]

a dragoon can always lean on his staff for balance.

m(-_-)m sorry I have nothing meaningful to contribute, enjoy a free bump.

[Akira]

i dunno could just be the players ive encountered on my server but ive never been behind in dps and have yet to be out parsed by a monk as drg only times ive lost on dps is aoe stuff to blm and have yet to be out done by a bard unless im not even trying lol

[Altena]

i dunno could just be the players ive encountered on my server but ive never been behind in dps and have yet to be out parsed by a monk as drg only times ive lost on dps is aoe stuff to blm and have yet to be out done by a bard unless im not even trying lol

You're talking about random pugs doing spammy dungeons?

Try Coil, or even a primal with a group of people all equally geared.

MNK and BLM are the clear leaders. Hell - get your closest MNK or BLM buddy to run over to a striking dummy with you, strip naked aside from your weapon and see who does more damage over 5 mins.

BRD is hit or miss, some of their damage (like BLM) does rely on chance. However fight depending - BRD can easily top a DRG if they don't have to worry about songs. The biggest issue here is that BRD has both the damage & the utility.. Where DRG can do nothing but DPS. The margin should be much clearer in DRG's favour, simply because of BRD's ability to support the party - and deal their damage at a safe range. Really all melee DPS should do more damage then ranged for this reason alone, but adding the amount of utility both BRD and BLM have, it really just isn't balanced at all.

[Zaranghae]

I entirely agree with OP, and one huge focus that I've been disappointed was the actual mechanic and DPS of Jump. Literally, all the jump skills have the same potency (if not less) as our regular GCD combos and they have long animations that could be extremely detrimental especially in HM raids. When I first began DRG, I imagined more "jump"-like skills that incorporated aerial attacks, accompanied with combos that would do a lot of damage, but instead we get 3 jumps that pretty much look and work the same (Just different color effects) and have ridiculously long cooldowns. I think a proper solution would be to add more aerial and jumping skills, incorporating less "directional" emphasis on attacks since this practically has nothing to do with the thematic scheme of a Dragoon, or simply lower our cooldowns so we can Jump more often (as a Dragoon should) and speed up the animation so they're easier to use.

[Aegis]

I think OP has some valid points, but if you're fighting a boss where for whatever reason (jumps/blinks/AOEs) you can't hit the mob for more than a couple of seconds and you aren't beating the MNK, you are doing something wrong.

On a single, static target the Monk will beat you hands down. On a target that causes Greased Lightning to drop regularly? The monk becomes the lowest DPS (if everyone is playing their jobs right). That mechanic is just so important to them.

Also, Yoshi has already said melee are getting buffed @ 2.1 since BRD, BLM and SMN are preferred so heavily at the moment.

[DarkRain]

I have full DL DRG and i was thinking last night about this . I was thinking aside from the status boost you get with DRG from LNC there really is nothing special about DRG . I mean jump ok spinshatter ok , dragonfire dive ok..... aside from that nothing . LNC i think is one of the classes that it might be best to NOT have the job crystal . With other buffs you COULD add in rotation to boost DPS output . But again i have had no real issues as DRG i have done Ifrit,Garuda,Titan and all the dungeons as DRG and have had no issues . Have yet to do BC

[Altena]

snip.

While yes, MNK dps relies heavily on greased lightning - they are still far superior to a DRG by a long mile in practically all content at the moment. (Aside from maybe Garuda?)
There are few, if any fights where a MNK isn't able to maintain greased lightning. At least not often enough to warrant choosing a DRG over a MNK.

I know Yoshi said melee in general are getting buffed, however I don't feel like a blanket buff would be enough to truly fix the current situation. The difference between the damage potential of MNK and DRG are far too large at the moment. I am not saying that DRG should be "always on top or on par".. I am simply saying that they need to be comparable - and currently the margin between damage potential isn't even close.

I have full DL DRG and i was thinking last night about this . I was thinking aside from the status boost you get with DRG from LNC there really is nothing special about DRG . I mean jump ok spinshatter ok , dragonfire dive ok..... aside from that nothing . LNC i think is one of the classes that it might be best to NOT have the job crystal . With other buffs you COULD add in rotation to boost DPS output . But again i have had no real issues as DRG i have done Ifrit,Garuda,Titan and all the dungeons as DRG and have had no issues . Have yet to do BC

At end-game you would have to have full Allagan, including weapon to make LNC worth using (as you do not have access to Relic & armor).

[yukikaze_yanagi]

something good, some not
-i don't feel their dps is so low actually. If you mean "i'm not the dps leader well, not everyone can be top. don't mean they suck

-they have a good spike damage for a melee dd :/ a critted full thrust surpass 1k damage. Only blm can do better

-the subclasses it's the same as monk. Replace pgl with lnc and you have the same as mnk

-Again, they get the same buffs as mnk. Don't compare it to mr.self buff

-Situational shit indeed. Again thou, it's the same as mnk with featherfoot and haymaker

-Mnk as "ultimate" skill get...nothing. Just perfect balance. Which is useful, but not really spectacular. At least you got boom

-working as intended. They specifically designed drg to be fairly easy. And don't get delusional about MNK, they don't have "freedom" to choose a stance. They are very linear opo opo -> raptor -> coeurl, and use a certain rotation in sequence.

-lack of utility it's debactable. The only thing mnk bring is as a party buff is mantra and the debuff of dragon kick, which really benefit him self an other monks. At least disembowel befenith both drg and brds

drg need a buff, and ok. But i think you're looking too far away with mnk. Mnk have his perks, but his weaknesses too, and it's not really better designed than drg as you think.

[silentwindfr]

we know that drg is looked at, but it's true that they need to make change in the class, i still try to figure two point about dragoon.

1) why do we have the lowest magical defense of the game?
2) why BoB increase the damage we take? is not like we can stay under it all the time

on titan with BoB on the stomp hit at 1000+, means you need to be really carefull to use it.
and i hope they do something.... because right now drg is.... well...

ps: indead the monk have the same buff than the dragoon.

true it did bring: mantra, silence, stun, dispell buff from monster (barely used)
what bring the dragoon: stun and... nothing more

dragoon take more damage than monk, deal more damage, well played it's actually the top dps of the game...
perfect balance have 240 second of cd, allows him to get at full trottle really fast, 300 cd for the dragondive for 250 potency...

ohh the dot of the monk are 25 (touch of death) + 40 (demolish), the one of the dragoon are 20 (Phlebotomize) + 20 (Chaos Thrust)

true we must'nt compare both....