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  1. #141
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    Just... stop calling it lag.

    It's not the core issue, the devs themselves have confused the core issue for complaints of lag and this fix does not solve said core issue.

    The problem is the positioning check delay and it's a design problem. It's a code problem. It's not a computer, ISP, connection or anything similar problem.

    Call it lag and they'll try to fix the wrong thing. Again, they've already confused it once already.

    It's not the first time a game has had this problem. We've seen it in other MMOs. Those of us with experience know how to differentiate via spellcasts and other forms of lag testing.

    It's not lag.
    It's not FPS.
    It's not an issue with people moving too slowly.
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    Last edited by Borfin; 11-13-2013 at 02:52 AM.

  2. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by whilke View Post
    ... does not compensate for anyone having network degradation...
    Well said.
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  3. #143
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    I've had nights with crippling lag after maintenance. But, I was directly connected and home alone with a 80mb down/ 25mb up connection speed. I've called my ISP and they were absolutely not helpful at all. Modem is 3months new. Next day, Lag was completely fine.


    Honestly, the game is predictable enough to beat any encounter in any role with crippling amounts of lag, you just need to do certain crutches to overcome it. Constant movement, predicting abilities, etc. But you shouldn't have to play like that.
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  4. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quatre View Post
    I Constant movement, predicting abilities, etc. But you shouldn't have to play like that.
    White knights think that just because they can do it, makes it okay game play that's the prob.
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  5. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borfin View Post
    Just... stop calling it lag.

    It's not the core issue, the devs themselves have confused the core issue for complaints of lag and this fix does not solve said core issue.

    The problem is the positioning check delay and it's a design problem. It's a code problem. It's not a computer, ISP, connection or anything similar problem.

    Call it lag and they'll try to fix the wrong thing. Again, they've already confused it once already.

    It's not the first time a game has had this problem. We've seen it in other MMOs. Those of us with experience know how to differentiate via spellcasts and other forms of lag testing.

    It's not lag.
    It's not FPS.
    It's not an issue with people moving too slowly.
    That is the best description I've heard so far as it precisely describes all the problems I experience: positioning check delay. PCD
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaydra View Post
    -snip-

    As I've lowered my settings I have actively resolved my "lag" issues suddenly I am magically able to avoid AoE's by simply sidestepping them where I was being hit by them while being 5 or more steps away from them before.

    I'm not going into anything technical because to put it simple I don't know how, but for me lowering my settings worked.
    I'll simply leave this:

    My GPU's performance under certain settings of the game.
    The 98% on maximum was a constant factor and whatever I did the value didn't change.
    The High (Laptop) settings' value moved between 75 and 95% depending on activity on screen.
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    Last edited by Shirai; 11-13-2013 at 04:07 AM.
    Felis catus

  7. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borfin View Post
    Just... stop calling it lag.

    It's not the core issue, the devs themselves have confused the core issue for complaints of lag and this fix does not solve said core issue.

    The problem is the positioning check delay and it's a design problem. It's a code problem. It's not a computer, ISP, connection or anything similar problem.

    Call it lag and they'll try to fix the wrong thing. Again, they've already confused it once already.

    It's not the first time a game has had this problem. We've seen it in other MMOs. Those of us with experience know how to differentiate via spellcasts and other forms of lag testing.

    It's not lag.
    It's not FPS.
    It's not an issue with people moving too slowly.
    This guy is right. Everyone who claims there is no delay issue in the game (ESPECIALLY THE OP) are completely and utterly delusional.
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  8. #148
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    Am I zoomed out far enough yet?


    Oh wow! Dodging landslides IS easy now.
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  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    snip
    Go ahead tell me one more time it's my hardware.

    Max settings and windowed to boot in these screen shots. No stop acting like you know how my PC runs the game and start considering I may have a valid point.


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  10. #150
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    Rijda Highstaff
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    To those claiming there is no issue:

    Play another MMO. Play SEVERAL other MMOs. This game isn't "harder". This game isn't "more tightly tuned". You aren't expected to move faster than other MMOs, this is obvious by WHEN the actual attack triggers. There is so much more evidence besides "the attack hit me" to suggest the PCD. There are limits to how quickly the human brain can react.

    I reiterate: No other MMO has this problem this severe. And quite frankly, whether you like it or not, this game plays almost EXACTLY like Final Fantasy-themed WoW, SWTOR, WHO, you name it. It was designed to. SE wants a piece of the MMO pie and their last venture (XI) didn't quite do it - so they're using the tried-and-true formula. That's fine. That's expected. That's business. It's the same reason Breath of Fire and other RPGs tried to emulate Final Fantasy originally. It's the same reason Final Fantasy originally used multiple elements from D&D.

    They're doing a damn good job of it, too, except for this and few other critical flaws.

    The fact that workarounds like casting an instant-cast spell resolve the issue is the BIGGEST piece of evidence to suggest that the problem IS NOT LAG and IS NOT INTENDED.

    These are competing games. This is solely a SE design flaw and it WILL lose them subscribers. I'm addicted to this game like no other and it's nearly lost ME.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    -snip
    How are you this willingly blind??
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    Last edited by Borfin; 11-13-2013 at 04:59 AM.

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