Red Ring of Death!

[RynaultB]

Just because you can play another game without "any" latency means absolutely nothing.

Then can you tell me why on my same PC that I play FFXIV and WoW on when I start a cast, in WoW if I move it stops the second I move. Where in FFXIV it pretty much goes through the whole cast before it interrupts my casting and I'm stuck unable to cast anything else til that has finished?

I play from China. I expect lag just plan and simple. I have about 200-250ms on my WoW server, I have about 200-275ms on my FFXIV server. Yet I have such delay's that get increasingly frustrating when I move even when I anticipate their abilities and I still get hit. Sometimes I don't even see the zone drop down and his abilities goes off. One might put that up as lag but not when I'm using my abilities and his HP is dropping when all of a sudden he does his ability and I take damage from it and never once did I see the red zone pop up or his casting/wind up animation.

Now that doesn't happen all the time only a couple of times but that shows there is a communication issue between server/client that needs to be addressed. I love this game but it is a new game and there still is some kinks that need to be worked out.

To blindly turn away from the issues when you have no problem from it shows your complete ignorance.

[Sephirah]

Then can you tell me why on my same PC that I play FFXIV and WoW on when I start a cast, in WoW if I move it stops the second I move. Where in FFXIV it pretty much goes through the whole cast before it interrupts my casting and I'm stuck unable to cast anything else til that has finished?

Once again, 1 game has ZERO relevance to another. And the delay you are describing there, is the .3 second INTENTIONAL delay, that this thread is not about.

To anyone saying "Tell me why i lag then", nobody here can answer that, you need to troubleshoot your network to get that kind of detailed information, but sure, if you want, I can throw out random solutions, see what sticks to the wall. Contact SE and find out what ports they use to reconfigure your network, or maybe try flushing your dns, or powercycling your modem. There are a million things that could be causing your issues.

[Moktor]

Once again, 1 game has ZERO relevance to another.

There *IS* relevance, actually. Other game developers seem to make things work, either through client-side detection or whatever dark magics they use. Then all of a sudden, a game that has lazy written all over it comes out with these issues and people want to stand up to defend it. If what I am seeing on my screen doesn't accurately portray ground-truth, then something is wrong. When I lag in other games due to ISP, etc, the whole game lags, not just the freaking AE markers. No casting lag, no lag when attacking mobs, just a lag with the AE marker. This is something that can be fixed through SE, if they were competent.

[Sephirah]

There *IS* relevance, actually. Other game developers seem to make things work, either through client-side detection or whatever dark magics they use. Then all of a sudden, a game that has lazy written all over it comes out with these issues and people want to stand up to defend it. If what I am seeing on my screen doesn't accurately portray ground-truth, then something is wrong. When I lag in other games due to ISP, etc, the whole game lags, not just the freaking AE markers. No casting lag, no lag when attacking mobs, just a lag with the AE marker. This is something that can be fixed through SE, if they were competent.

Then why, pray tell, is this not happening to everyone?

[RynaultB]

Then why, pray tell, is this not happening to everyone?

And here is why you continue to show your blatant and complete ignorance to the fact. "Just because I don't have it or my friends or everyone in my circle doesn't have it, it doesn't exist."

We're not debating the nature of god or if he exists.

We're talking about the way the game runs. Yes not everyone is going to have problems. If only a few people have a problem i just look at it as bad ISP or whatnot. But when everyday people are coming to the forums to complain about this very issue, then more people than you think, are having this problem and *IT IS AN ISSUE* and should be addressed and fixed.

There are tons of variables as to why some have and some don't, but to just turn blindly away is not a good response.

[Moktor]

Then why, pray tell, is this not happening to everyone?

Oh, sorry. It isn't a poor design if it doesn't happen to everyone. Yet in other games it doesn't happen to *anyone*. Funny.

[Duuude007]

Oh, sorry. It isn't a poor design if it doesn't happen to everyone. Yet in other games it doesn't happen to *anyone*. Funny.

more citations please.

I remember lag, and sometimes very bad lag, when i played WOW. and FFXI. And AO. and EQ.

Pretty sure everyone else is at this step. And so...

Many skipped, yes. That's my point.

[Moktor]

more citations please.

I remember lag, and sometimes very bad lag, when i played WOW. and FFXI. And AO. and EQ.




Many skipped, yes. That's my point.

Whoah, tiger, I said THIS problem, not lag in general. I have seen lag in all the games I have played at times, but unless I was lagging in the game there were no hit detection issues. If the game was hitting 2000ms because of a bad day, then whatever. This game, however, has the hit detection issues regardless of latency (mine is usually in the 35-60ms range) and even when NOTHING ELSE is lagging in game. Casting, mob aggro, etc are all normal but the AE box still lags. THIS has never happened to me in ANY other online game, because what I saw on screen was what was happening to me at that point in time.

[RynaultB]

Once again, 1 game has ZERO relevance to another. And the delay you are describing there, is the .3 second INTENTIONAL delay, that this thread is not about.

Your OP brings in that "Intentional" delay, just by you stating its easy to avoid the red zones. Because of this "Intentional" delay some may or may not be able to get out of the red zones. If they got rid of that delay they "intentionally" put in I bet the majority of peoples problems would go away.

Also by making the checks happen client side than server side.

The seemingly randomness I have these delays makes me question this is. Something I don't have when I play other games, which makes it valid for someone like me to form a different opinion from yours and also compare one game to another of the same genre.