Dex/Parry tiers - definitive testing methodology needed

[Namasu]

I wasn't directly addressing you, nor did I mean to push you out of the thread. Apologies if you took offense. Your test sounds useful for all those PALs out there.

I just want too keep focus on the purpose of this thread: to find the exact dex tier for parry chance from dex range 215-250 that causes the big parry chance jump shown in Ninjitsu's data.

No offense taken -edited my previous post-, I just don't have the time to go through each dex point to figure out the tier. Your parsing will be much more useful than mine in the long run. In the short term, I want to at least test how dumping at least +45 dex in HQ lvl70 accessories can benefit those that have the time and dedication. If time permit, I'll do w/e else I think will be useful in term of dex vs block vs parry.

[Coramac]

I wasn't directly addressing you, nor did I mean to push you out of the thread. Apologies if you took offense. Your test sounds useful for all those PALs out there.

I just want too keep focus on the purpose of this thread: to find the exact dex tier for parry chance from dex range 215-250 that causes the big parry chance jump shown in Ninjitsu's data.

His data does not show a big parry chance jump. I don't remember what it was exactly, but it showed dex tiers of 14.5 to 22 I think.

I'm not really playing much anymore, but if you run data collection, I'll see if I can make the numbers work. 1000 hit (hits, exclude misses) will be fine for parses but we'll need several data points to make determinations. If you can get them approximately every 10 dex starting at 217 and going up to whatever you want to stop at. If you could do multiple tests at each point, that'd be better, but it might be workable without.

[Ruckus]

Given all the data thus far pointing to the next dex tier being closer to the mid 240s than the mid 210s, my first few parses may be 5 dex points at a time to expedite results.

That aside, please leave the observations and brostatistics out of this. The data collected by others thus far is at the point that EVERYONE has positive observations around that point. I am going for the EXACT numbers. Do it right and you only have to do it once. Do it wrong and someone else is going to have to parse all this again in the future.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Also don't forget if you have a bard in party which, in most cases, you would you would have 3% buff in Dex hence you need 240 Dex on your character sheet to hit the amount same as needing 393 STR on character sheet to achieve next Block/Parry strength increase. I play both Warrior and Paladin though most of the testing on Warrior is off Coil mainly focusing on mitigation cause group says, Why Warrior and make our life hard =P.

The dex thingy was already done by someone already. And it is as exact as it goes to maximize every single stats, cause going beyond means nothing cause you can't reach another plateau, just as stated it takes 45 Dex + 7-9 Dex manual stated/materia using Gryphonskins/ Crafted Accessories. Without them looking into Dex value is futile cause you sure aren't going to put 30 stats into Dex and still for short from the plateau and risking 400+ HP.

[Ruckus]

As for someone already testing this, care to link? I'm confident you can't. If you can, I'd be stoked because I wouldn't have to spend the time doing it.

Ninjiitsu did a great dex/parry test, but the only conclusive result was that there is almost assuredly a DEX tier somewhere between 216 and 246. Where that specific cap lies however, remains to be found. Many others have put there DEX at 246+ to assure they hit that increase, but for all they know that DEX cap could be 241. That means 5-6 spec points that could be VIT while still obtaining the DEX tier.

No one has publicly posted the specific DEX tiers for parry chance. Yes, there have been numerous 'omg i has 247 DEX and i parry more' posts, with which no one disagrees. Your posts are falling into the later category and you are failing to see the true importance of knowing that specific number.

I am simply trying to find one specific parry tier - the most important one for WARs at the moment.

[Sapphidia]

Slightly side-topiced, mentioning the HQ Darksteel Scutum -> someone said Bulwark was much more effective with it. I was under the impression that Bulwark increases your block rate by 60% of whatever your block rate actually is rather than adding a flat 60% onto the total chance to block. This would mean it was equally good for all shield types, even bucklers.

Has anyone confirmed this? From the napkin maths I saw about block chance I can't see the scutum ever beating the total mitigation of the Holy Shield +1, or even a similar level Kite Shield.

[Maqaqa]

Soooo any news? ^^

[EasymodeX]

So I've waited and waited for someone to do more definitive testing on dex tiers for parry, but my patience has run out. Solution - I'll do it myself.

Are you really interested in the actual tiers, assuming there are tiers, or are you interested in the general formula / amount of parry% per dex?

If the latter, then you don't need to test every single point of Dex to find cutoffs. Just test a super low value, a super high value, and a few points in between using a high-parry set of gear. Repeat these tests with a low-parry set of gear to look for any weird Dex x Parry scaling.

That's it. Tbh that's probably a good idea to start with to identify tiers anyways, because if you can approximate how much parry% you're supposed to be getting from Dex, you can more easily pinpoint when you're not getting the results you expect from a +/- 2 Dex switch.

[TaneshimaPopura]

I suggest that the test be done in tiers of 9/7 Dex (Gryphonskin/Materia 4 Dex). Cause realistically speaking, I'm full in Gryphonskin and in PT Dex buffed I'd already achieve the said value of 247 being full Vit Allocated. Same goes for my Warrior with current gear already sitting beyond 405 STR in PT buff, getting the last few ones would meant that my Paladin will be pass 405 and my warrior will be pass 405 without being in party.

[Ruckus]

Well, thanks for the input. To update, I am 30+ hrs in and still going.

I am doing 5k hit parses to start. If I see an anomaly or possibly jump in parry rate, I either retest or let the parse go to 10k (or 15k on some tests).

I just broke 100k hits total and have several more tests to go. I should be around 175k hits total when complete.

I will get some information up later this weekend for everyone to crunch. Preliminary results from the data lean strongly towards strength-esque tiers (40.5) rather than the 14.5-22 that was mentioned, but I may be reading it all wrong. I will let you all decide when the data is complete.