Limit Break needs to be changed

[WutangRZA]

Hmmm, we auto-attack P1 to build limit. Hadn't considered just going HAM the whole time and just single targetting down the first 2 snakes (staggered so that stacks don't fall off) and then just using L2 AoE on the second set.

Not sure if that's a better or worse strat though tbh. Hard enrage is tighter if you waste time auto-attacking, but L3 limit hits the small snakes for like 75% of their health.

Kind of a tough call. Curious what other groups who have also killed it are doing.

Our current strat is auto-attack P1, making sure we build at least L1 before collar drops, then when snakes drop, burn down small one as fast as possible, get 2nd one low, during 2nd divebombs finish second snake, LB3 on the second set of snakes, then blow all CDs on big snake.

[Zdenka]

Our current strat is auto-attack P1, making sure we build at least L1 before collar drops, then when snakes drop, burn down small one as fast as possible, get 2nd one low, during 2nd divebombs finish second snake, LB3 on the second set of snakes, then blow all CDs on big snake.

You can do that exact same strat with LB2, you just have to use your cooldowns (Blood for Blood, Internal Release etc.) on the 3rd and 4th Hygleiea to kill them quick enough so that the debuff drops off you before Aetheric Profusion; and killing the big snake without a large amount of cooldowns isn't really an issue.

[WutangRZA]

You can do that exact same strat with LB2, you just have to use your cooldowns (Blood for Blood, Internal Release etc.) on the 3rd and 4th Hygleiea to kill them quick enough so that the debuff drops off you before Aetheric Profusion; and killing the big snake without a large amount of cooldowns isn't really an issue.

I thought the debuff was only physical, didn't even think it affected profusion? (Still might make sense to cooldown the small snakes to get the most uptime with 4 stacks on big).

[C-croft]

Wait, encounter is becoming easier because your DPS is ramping up....?

[Yenn]

Wait, encounter is becoming easier because your DPS is ramping up....?

No, it's becoming harder, because we don't build enough LB.
We have to stop DPS for a while, so more limit break builds, or use a more complicated/risk-prone strategy on the snake phase, as a result.

This is what doesn't make sense. It's not particularly bad on Twintania, but it could be game breaking in future encounters, unless the way limit break builds is changed.

[Kommunist]

It is a good point, not exactly sure why limit break isn't based on dmg done. alternatively you could get lots of people get hit by fireballs(liquid hell) and build faster LOL

[FUNgineer]

If DPS is ramping up then killing using limit 2 on the adds should be enough because of your elite phase pushing DPS.

alternatively, you could just sit back and autoattack to conserve mana, I've heard that SMNs had a lot of mana issues on that fight! :V

[Yenn]

If DPS is ramping up then killing using limit 2 on the adds should be enough because of your elite phase pushing DPS.

alternatively, you could just sit back and autoattack to conserve mana, I've heard that SMNs had a lot of mana issues on that fight! :V

The problem is that you need 4 stacks of whatever the debuff is called, so you have to hold the two snakes for a long period of time, which in turn results in less overall damage to the big snake (compared to having a level 3 limit break).
No matter how high your DPS is, you aren't going to down the big snake before Twintania drops with i90 gear, unless you have the debuff stacked.

[Zaft]

The problem is that you need 4 stacks of whatever the debuff is called, so you have to hold the two snakes for a long period of time, which in turn results in less overall damage to the big snake (compared to having a level 3 limit break).
No matter how high your DPS is, you aren't going to down the big snake before Twintania drops with i90 gear, unless you have the debuff stacked.

You might be killing the second Hygieia too soon. Here's what we do:

Kill one Hygieia, take the second one to low HP, DPS Asclepius until next set of divebombs begin, kill second Hygieia after 1st divebomb, finish divebombs, LB2, finish off the Hygieias, finish off Asclepius. We often have a good 10+ seconds before Twintania lands doing this method.

Again though, raiding is about finding what works for your group. Experiment a little and see what you can do to improve.

[Yenn]

You might be killing the second Hygieia too soon. Here's what we do:

Kill one Hygieia, take the second one to low HP, DPS Asclepius until next set of divebombs begin, kill second Hygieia after 1st divebomb, finish divebombs, LB2, finish off the Hygieias, finish off Asclepius. We often have a good 10+ seconds before Twintania lands doing this method.

Again though, raiding is about finding what works for your group. Experiment a little and see what you can do to improve.

We can kill it with a level 2 LB, but the point is that the encounter shouldn't become harder and previously working strategies shouldn't become unusable because our DPS is too high.
It just doesn't make any sense.