Dancer - Evasion Tank. Fabulous Support.

[Techro]

While you wildly dance away, this infuriates the enemy as in you are showing that he is merely a toy for you. You evade all his attacks by flamboyantly dancing away. Your flourish and fabulous movements also invigorate your party, they are happy and feel rallied to fight! On the off chance that you do get hit, your beauty is shattered and your bones lay broken on the floor. you eventually bleed out and die..but for those brief moments where 100s of dodges ran across your screen, you vaguely remember them now..they are drifting away..you were fabulous then.

Dancers last words: " tonight, I just wanna dance guys...lets just dance tonight.."
Discuss.

[Kobra-Kid]

Problem with an evasion tank... if they are any good at all they're going to replace PLD and WAR as the go-to most likely. If you have bosses that can already almost one-shot tanks if they aren't prepared for it, how would an evasion tank deal with it? They can't have the same high-HP and self-healing as a WAR, and they can't have the raw mitigation of a PLD, and if they can just dodge those attacks why bother bringing anything else?

[Techro]

Problem with an evasion tank...

My thread is clearly for comedy and open discussion. You do make strong points. I also said the dancer would die in a bloody mess once the RNG fails. Please do not reply with a serious answer to my "not-so serious thread" just have fun with it .

[Akubikumo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJF4Swq_PU

[Techro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJF4Swq_PU

YES! EXACTLY LIKE THIS!

[Akubikumo]

YES! EXACTLY LIKE THIS!

This guy gets it!

[Paikis]

Evasion tanks always go one of two ways. They are either broken, overpowered tanking gods that never die, or they are useless squishy messes that turn into a fine red mist the first time their RNG armour fails.

[kasei]

Evasion tanks always go one of two ways. They are either broken, overpowered tanking gods that never die, or they are useless squishy messes that turn into a fine red mist the first time their RNG armour fails.

That's why evasion tanking shouldn't be built around RNG, but skills / player skill. Think Warrior tanking in TERA before the blocking patch. Although I doubt FFXIV could handle low latency combat mechanics like that as it is now.

[Kitru]

Evasion tanks always go one of two ways. They are either broken, overpowered tanking gods that never die, or they are useless squishy messes that turn into a fine red mist the first time their RNG armour fails.

This is only true when they rely upon evasion for a substantial majority of their mitigation. Druids in WoW are(were? haven't played in years) the nominal "evasion" tanks but they do just fine because they back it up with dramatically increased hit points and really high armor. As long as you don't completely trash your ability to survive burst damage (i.e. bring some hp buffs or absorb shields), evasion tanks work out just fine. Evasion can be best likened to the +healing that WAR gets: it's a mean mitigation tanking stat, not an eHP tanking stat. If you have an evasion tank, give it something to bring its eHP up to the level of the WAR and PLD and it'll do fine.

As to the op, I've never really understood why anyone seems to think that Dancer should be a tank, though I've also never really understood why some people think that it makes more sense as a tank than as a DPS job. Dancer could *feasibly* be turned into a tank and one of my favorite mental exercises is looking at ways to turn existing classes into effective members of other roles with as few major mechanics changes as possible, but ARR isn't a game where you have jobs fulfilling multiple roles based upon spec; each job has a single role, so you kind of have to default to the role that makes the most sense for them and Dancer (or Ninja) as a tank is just *really* stretching.

Honestly, I expect to see Dancer as a healing job. BRD as a DPS class was weird enough, given that BRD actually had heals in most of its iterations whereas Dancer was mostly debuffs and some attacks, but Dancer is, quite honestly, the most obvious DoW healing job, if they ever decide to add one.

[Kitru]

I don't think some of you read my post

I actually understood that it was a joke from the beginning. It's pretty obvious that you intended it to be a satirical poke at the people that *want* Dancer to be a tank job. I was agreeing with you about the absurdity of it, not criticizing you because I believed that you were supporting the idea.

Everyone please come into this thread and have a bonerific discussion about how evasion tanks are broken and do not work.

Welcome to the internet, where every discussion immediately goes out of the OP's control as soon as they make the first post. Some people think that DNC would make a great evasion tank and some people believe that evasion tanks are completely and utterly horrible which is why DNC should never be made into a tank. Your OP brought up both the absurdity of a DNC being a tank as well as the fundamental flaws in a tank relying too heavily upon RNG based mitigation mechanisms so both of the topics that I mentioned before pertain to it.

I realize that you might not like a pseudo-serious/pseudo-intellectual discussion about different ways to implement tanks and their relative strengths and weaknesses, but this isn't *your* internet. If it's brought up and it is actually related to the OP in some way, it's open season to discuss it even if it wasn't actually your intent to do so.