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[FinagleABagel]

It's amazing at how many people can't follow 1,2,3 on mobs.

It's because that's a poor way of tanking. Most everything is AoE focused. If you want to get through content quickly you have to get used to handling 100% AoE from your DPS'ers (healer included).

I always ignore 1,2,3 numbering if the tank does it. It's meaningless. I'll have 2 DoTs on all mobs and another 4 with higher DPS DoT cycles. The other two DPS'ers will be doing even more. If for whatever reason I'm only healing, I'm going to direct you to pull more mobs.

You should let your healer dictate whats happening. All you have to do is cycle your abilities so that you are keeping up aggro on ALL mobs, not just your target.

[CyanDvai]

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You're assuming everyone is over geared and doing a speed run.
When I DF AK I assess the gear of the other members and pull accordingly. Not everyone is geared to handle massive pulls for AoE and Speed Runs.

But thank you for assuming, I love how people reply with an arrogant tone in their posts.

[FinagleABagel]

You're assuming everyone is over geared and doing a speed run.
When I DF AK I assess the gear of the other members and pull accordingly. Not everyone is geared to handle massive pulls for AoE and Speed Runs.

But thank you for assuming, I love how people reply with an arrogant tone in their posts.

I'm a bit more willing to push people. Like I said before, I'm borderline capable of solo'ing. If I have to figuratively pick up a tank by his/her pants and throw him/her into the pit, I will. Be sure you encourage Yoshi to split up the DF as promised.

I'm going to play as I will, because I know what I can do and how far I can carry. I have no interest in spending time teaching people anymore. Keep up or be left behind. It is regrettably that due to small parties and extremely uneven job distributions (never mind that one tank job was officially declared useless for the end game) that players like me get tossed into the DF every once in awhile. I don't think any of us want to be there, but sometimes you just aren't left with any other options.

*shrug* It's a different playing mentality. Usually, when someone displeases me I simply PK them repeatedly. Unfortunately, Yoshi doesn't seem to embrace some old school mentalities (odd considering he was a hardcore DAoC player...). Yeah, it's aggressive. If I'm not going 100% games get boring. I'm not satisfied with anything less than perfect. 30 minute AK run? How about 25 minute? When can I hit 20?

And so on...

[CianaIezuborn]

I always ignore 1,2,3 numbering if the tank does it. It's meaningless. I'll have 2 DoTs on all mobs and another 4 with higher DPS DoT cycles. The other two DPS'ers will be doing even more. If for whatever reason I'm only healing, I'm going to direct you to pull more mobs.

Just so we're clear, ignoring 123 and only AoEing => OK!
Putting any single target dps on any mob but 1 => You're a douche!

I mark target 1 for anyone that's not AoEing, that's the mob that gets the first RoH and the one I lock down first between Flash/tab strikes. Dot spreading is fine, the early burst isn't nearly bad enough to counteract aoe aggro unless I'm lazy or dealing with an asshole single target dpsing something not marked 1.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, except for the term meaningless, just clarifying intent. I usually only mark target 1 as by the time it's dead I've locked everything else down.

On healer dpsing:

Healer and tank damage potential compared to straight dps is very significant in this game, especially compared to other MMOs out there. You're looking at at least 50% to upwards of 100%+ in certain situations. There is never a reason to not have more sustained dps in an encounter, even if it causes you to have to stop dps at some point to wait out a mechanic. If you've got free time as a healer, slap on cleric stance and drop some dots at the very least, then switch back and do your heal thing.

For personal experience, I'm very often the highest dps in the group while healing in low level dungeons, especially if the tank is geared. A big part of that is keeping HQ gear up to date, but the other part of that is WHM just flat out does a high amount of damage in cleric stance. Brayflox will be difficult to dps in due to the huge jump in damage in that instance, but prior instances I could throw about 2-4 nukes in between heals depending on the tanks gear.

[NeonC]

Not everyone is in a race to the finish. If a tank marks them, kill them in that order. You can slap bane on and miasmaII sure but why not follow the leaders order? If it is your FC buddies do whatever but in DF you are just being a nuisance

[FinagleABagel]

Not everyone is in a race to the finish. If a tank marks them, kill them in that order. You can slap bane on and miasmaII sure but why not follow the leaders order? If it is your FC buddies do whatever but in DF you are just being a nuisance

I've never queue'd for a DF with less than 3 members - all of whom expect a speed run. Given the current state of tanks on Midgard, you don't have much of an option other than going DF if you aren't in perfect sync with a FC/LS static. I'll teach the tank rotations, give him/her explicit instructions, and expect them executed. If they can't execute, I will simply go on my own and solo. Or dump aggro on them and heal harder.

You'd be surprised what most ppl can pull off when the try to play aggressively.

Thank goodness Yoshi acknowledged this and will split the DF for speed runs.

Simply put, if you can't tank vs. AoE by level 50, you are a lost cause.

[NeonC]

I've never queue'd for a DF with less than 3 members - all of whom expect a speed run.

Yeah, then there is no problem. I don't see the need for the long winded speech. I don't go to DF for Garuda speed runs, I ask my FC or shout. DF assumes a different style of play that is all.

[Babydoll]

Hehe healing is easy! At least to me...I have to do way less then I do on DD. Even in coil lol. But then again I play SMN. I dunno...I find healing relaxing..maybe I am weird XD

[KrazyKupo]

I love healing to I've recently only gotten my whm to 36 though. I feel like it's very situational in duty finder if I can dps or not depends on how strong the tank is, and whether or not dps are pulling their own hate all over the place. I do find it relaxing and normally in the lower lvl dungeons I can dps almost as much as the dps jobs themselves. My latest one is Brayflox that I've did, and I find I do less dps, and more sleeping especially if the party is crazy lol. Even then I'll throw out at least an aero if I can to help dps. The lower lvl dungeons though I might not dps sometimes if it's some awesome newbs doing it for the first time or so they can take their time and explore and see what challenges await them. Maybe I'm wierd too. lol

[PetiteMalFleur]

If the party is overgeared for content then by all means dps away. If the party is playing to level up and the tank is getting crit, dps are pulling, or there are aggro issues, then it's probably best to just focus on healing. Unless you're scholar. Then your fairy just does it for you.