Some designs in FFXIV 1.2x are better than ARR

[ReviiLagoon]

Anyone who actually thinks Hamlet was a good idea however has no right to talk about what constitutes good game design.

The grind of hamlet was it's downfall, Hamlet itself was a very unique concept and quite fun. It's just that when you had to spam it 300 times....Honestly, if it came back in ARR I would like to see them make it at least a 16 man encounter, 8 DoH / DoL, 8 DoW / DoM, because 1 tank, 2 healers, and 6 crafter's and gatherer's limited the amount of people you could bring.

[Zezlar]

A lot of 1.23 was better, but it was also a game that had quite a few updates. It's going to be some time before ARR becomes a decent game. A very lonnnng time.

[Memoe]

"relic healer lfg wp/ak, bought relic so don't expect much."
it seems that ones self esteem drops if they have to buy relic (if they were not intending to in the first place or shameless)
titan is a teacher, not a lead lined wall. he is a difficult boss, but he is completely doable.

I've yet to see this phenomenon. Interesting.

I never said Titan is a lead-lined wall. I just stated, that currently relics pretty much cost 350k for the lazy. 350k is less than i70 weapons/gear you can craft. How sad is that. :/

[KiriA500]

In 1.2x:
1.To fight Good King Moggle,you have to dodge the tree mobs, collect keystones with fc mates.
In ARR, you can just click DF, then win (or wipe).

Toggling walk is more work for you?

Protip: You can walk to the beastmen Aetheryte to flag the primal fights. You choose not to.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

There are about 80% stuffs in ARR are better than 1.2x,
but the other 20% are not.

The problem of ARR is the game designs are too focused on "result",
not focus on the "progress".

In 1.2x:
1.To fight Good King Moggle,you have to dodge the tree mobs, collect keystones with fc mates.
In ARR, you can just click DF, then win (or wipe).

2.1.2x had better Relic quests.you feel you were really work on something.
In ARR, I can finish a relic quest in 1 or 2 days,makes them feel......cheap.


It's like playing a game with cheat code or trainers:fast fast fast, kill kill kill.
no need to think or working on something.

The progress need to be more fun in ARR.

doing the same thing over and over is not more challenging or rewarding.... it is tedious and unnecessary.

[Kaizlu]

I personally don't think doing hamlett hundred times was more fun...

Totally, in my opinion it was the worst part of the quest. But at the other parts were made in a way that you had to be really good at everything the game had to offer.


Hamlet requierd cooperation.
You had to beat Ifrit Extreme and Garuda (Hard) wasn't as easy as today.
You could buy your way with the melded weapon or be patient and do it yourself with both a lv 50 DoH and DoL. Or better, you could get help from your LS mates.
The speedruns while annoying were only for the people that had high-enough DPS and knowledge to do them. Say what you want about speedruns, not everyone could do it.
Instead of the "kill 24 bad bestmen" we have today, you had to spiritbond your unfinished weapon - tedious but at least not as simple as it is today.
And you had to use GC seals to buy the Properties of Beastmen, again making you do GC-related stuff.

Dunno, seemed more like a journey than a checklist.

[Orophin]

I liked the concept of Hamlet on paper. The execution of it and how seals were distributed was entirely the reason I refused to do the relic quest prior to ARR.

TL;DR - OP wants a different type of grind than what already exists. (because apparently running dungeons 8-10 times a week + Coil isn't the kind of grind they want)

The speedruns while annoying were only for the people that had high-enough DPS and knowledge to do them. Say what you want about speedruns, not everyone could do it.

Not to mention, several jobs leveled to 50 because you were expected to swap on the fly between bosses/trash. Another mechanic I'm glad that's gone because if I want to play a Paladin I don't want to swap to a BLM midway in just to speed up trash killing.

[Priya]

Of course Relic weapons feel "cheap." This is just the first tier of content... they're intro raiding weapons now. Intro will not hold the same level of acquisition as the previous BIS; from here on out, we are going to get better weapons.

As for dungeon/boss attuning, you already have to attune yourself to Coil by beating everything else.

[Alhanelem]

In 1.2x:
1.To fight Good King Moggle,you have to dodge the tree mobs, collect keystones with fc mates.

1) 1.23 didn't have FCs thus you didn't have "FC mates"
2) The whole tree mob dodging and collecting keystones was a pain in the ass and I don't want it to return. That was not fun.

[Feyniphia]

With people selling Titan kills for 350k nowdays anyone can gather up that sum of money in a relatively short amount of time. Titan will not be a problem for anyone anymore.

Oh, and the groups that sell you the whole progress from Hydra to Titan is (last time I checked) about 950k. So yeah. That's Relics for you...

Still cheaper than a penta melded Astral Ring. xD