Fixing the Community Thinktank!

[Necromunkey]

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While there may possibly be a small amount of casuals left, it is most likely there will be a large influx both come the next patch, as well as when the PS4 version is released. Nonetheless such bullying isn't limited to casuals, and seems that it can happen to anybody who isn't fully geared, or isn't running so efficiently.

Also "you should be flamed for not doing your job". No. The player may be doing their job to the extent known to them, we should help them, if only moderately, to actually "do their job" to modern consensus, not bash them for it; otherwise we may damage the userbase. Since you reference Xi, then what of the people who have never run Abbysea? Just flame them for not knowing how to proc? Monotony is not an excuse to be uncivil to others either.

[Klutz64]

The bully mentality comes from the FORCED to repeat the same damn Dungeon over and over and over and over and over to get your weekly cap of myth

I actually just posted a blog post about this. The game does not, at all, force anyone to reach their weekly Myth cap. If you want to, there's nothing wrong with that, but if you're doing it and not having fun, then it's time to rethink your play style. Like many other MMO's that get the "G" word thrown at them, this game is only as much of a grind as you make it.

OT: Most of the players I encounter aren't outright rude, but then majority of players are also pretty unhelpful and self-focused, which is a problem in itself.

[Necromunkey]

Most of the players I encounter aren't outright rude, but then majority of players are also pretty unhelpful and self-focused, which is a problem in itself.

This is a very good point and perhaps stems from the same issue. I've seen several instances (especially in CM) where new players are never advised on how to deal with a boss, approach a set of mobs, use a specific function (such as cannons), or simply left behind to fend for themselves. Lack of aid and a self-entitled mentality seem to also be more likely than rude players.

I think I'll add this point to the OP, if you don't mind.

[Kewitt]

This is a good case where my Sig comes into play.
I wouldn't put up for stuff like this.

[Necromunkey]

This is a good case where my Sig comes into play.
I wouldn't put up for stuff like this.

Copying your sig to put down in a post:
"Duty Finder Rules
If you are Hardcore, Don't use it. Find 3 people to party with that are at your level.
If you are hardcore and use it, don't chew someone out for playing a game.
If you get chewed out go afk, you don't need to be bullied in a game. (This messes up the bullies run, little perk.)
There will be good groups and bad groups. Lets all hope there are more good then bad."

I tend to follow something like this myself (adding sticking up for those being bullied and removing the afk part), though I'm not sure of how well it really works (for instance, going afk may just cause the tank to leave and you stuck waiting for slots to fill, or further berating)

[DubstepNinja]

Extreme Solution

Debuff them.

Simple really, if somebody has found to be a habitual griefer. Hit them where it hurts most , in their performance.

I'm certain most players won't want to turn up to coil with a -20% damage dealt or a +20% damage recieved debuff on them.

Hopefully somebody in their static/FC leader would then have a quiet word to them about their behaviour if they know it will have an adverse effect on their performance.

also means any pug that they get into will say no thanks and remove them immediately.

[Necromunkey]

Extreme Solution

Debuff them.

Simple really, if somebody has found to be a habitual griefer. Hit them where it hurts most , in their performance.

I'm certain most players won't want to turn up to coil with a -20% damage dealt or a +20% damage recieved debuff on them.

Hopefully somebody in their static/FC leader would then have a quiet word to them about their behaviour if they know it will have an adverse effect on their performance.

also means any pug that they get into will say no thanks and remove them immediately.

While it could very well work, I prefer reducing reward over ability. Reducing ability might have the side effect of rage quitting for extended periods and perhaps even an exodus of griefers to other games (while a good thing for victims, a bad thing for SE).

Though to add to yours, along with debuffs, they get a symbol next to their name for all to see. (still to severe though I think....)

[Blarp]

All MMO communities suck. It can't be fixed. Trying to "fix" an MMO community is like spraying Lysol in an alley in Dharavi. It may smell better for a second, but ultimately you're still surrounded by piss and shit.

[aray0002]

All MMO communities suck. It can't be fixed. Trying to "fix" an MMO community is like spraying Lysol in an alley in Dharavi. It may smell better for a second, but ultimately you're still surrounded by piss and shit.

Now this made me laugh thank you.

[Necromunkey]

All MMO communities suck. It can't be fixed. Trying to "fix" an MMO community is like spraying Lysol in an alley in Dharavi. It may smell better for a second, but ultimately you're still surrounded by piss and shit.

Perhaps the forum title "Fixing the Community" is too strong. We don't necessarily need to fix the community or its people entirely, rather just add some reason to not be entirely dickish in with total randoms. Essentially, we don't need to clean up the "piss and shit", just keep people from throwing it at each other.