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    Black Mage and firestarter.

    As it stands firestarter doesn't seem that great it only procs on hit and isn't really a dps increase unlike thunder cloud which has almost double the potency, and can proc itself off gcd.
    Would taking firestarter off the gcd be a little too powerful? Just food for thought
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    Sparda Amon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devaking55 View Post
    As it stands firestarter doesn't seem that great it only procs on hit and isn't really a dps increase unlike thunder cloud which has almost double the potency, and can proc itself off gcd.
    Would taking firestarter off the gcd be a little too powerful? Just food for thought
    I advice you to reword your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoAmon View Post
    I advice you to reword your post.
    why do i need to do that? but fine, how about this.

    firestarter sucks, thundercloud is better. if they took firestarter off the global cooldown would it be better?
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    Philia Felice
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    Firestarter is a DPS increase because:

    1. It doesn't use any MP, which lets you stay in AH3 longer
    2. While it doesn't actually increase Fire III's potency, it cuts off recast time, making its time cost a bit lower and thus directly increasing its DPS
    3. Its front-loaded damage is great for finishing things you would have had to wait for, occasionally
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    Seyon Masters
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    As a black mage, that would make it much too powerful.
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    Bludy Puu
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    How are you saying it isn't an increase in DPS? Do you not understand what DPS means?
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    Roger Valiane
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    Outside of a Firestarter proc, there isn't a reason to cast Fire III unless you have max MP and is transitioning from Umbral Ice 3 to Astral Fire 3.

    Fire III has the highest potency of any of a BLM's fire spells but because it is used to acquire the Astral Fire 3 buff, the damage it does coming out of Umbral Ice 3 is even less than Fire I. A Firestarter proc gives a BLM a reason to cast Fire III WITH the Astral Fire 3 buff in effect. Moreover, it is instant cast and costs no MP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BondEternal View Post
    Outside of a Firestarter proc, there isn't a reason to cast Fire III unless you have max MP and is transitioning from Umbral Ice 3 to Astral Fire 3.

    Fire III has the highest potency of any of a BLM's fire spells but because it is used to acquire the Astral Fire 3 buff, the damage it does coming out of Umbral Ice 3 is even less than Fire I. A Firestarter proc gives a BLM a reason to cast Fire III WITH the Astral Fire 3 buff in effect. Moreover, it is instant cast and costs no MP.
    Generally, yes, you probably don't want to use Fire III outside of Firestarter and in UI3. However, using Swift Cast Fire III at the very start of a fight is good, and some rotations use UI3 > Fire III > Fire III to double dip Fire IIIs - this method may or may not do more DPS than Fire III > Fire I double dip, but it's definitely better burst damage, like for Conflags.
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