Tanking, I think we have a problem

[Eliniell]

I haven't had any issues tanking at any stage, and I have some extremely geared and gung ho DPS in my Free Company. The only time I ever have an issue is WHM on Titan. If you're similarly geared as your DPS there is no reason for you not to be able to hold Enmity.

[Phai]

I haven't had any issues tanking at any stage, and I have some extremely geared and gung ho DPS in my Free Company. The only time I ever have an issue is WHM on Titan. If you're similarly geared as your DPS there is no reason for you not to be able to hold Enmity.

Then ur extremely dps is not avoiding enough, or isent that good if its ur whm thats pressing u on emnety on titan! I migth have missunderstod ur post due to language barrier >< but something seems wrong whit that picture!
/not trolling u btw, migth be me derping hehe

[Karnyboy]

I have a good idea....why don't your retarded DPS hold back for a few seconds to let the tank build aggro?

[Phai]

I have a good idea....why don't your retarded DPS hold back for a few seconds to let the tank build aggro?

Nonono, emnety list is for bling bling

But yeh, this and problem solved! Teamwork is a myth

[Johnist]

The OP's problem exists between the chair and keyboard/controller.

[Phai]

The OP's problem exists between the chair and keyboard/controller.

Oh, u sitting on OP's lap? Otherwise ur wrong

[Steeled]

Not to side with the OP, not at all, but..

Tanking, undergeared, now is a different beast than it was 2.5 months ago, even a month ago.

My PC fried a few weeks ago, and I was offline for 2.5 weeks, and I went from seeing relics frequently enough in pugs to nearly every pug has 3-4 relics (counting mine). I honestly couldn't imagine what tanking must be like now, people demand more than undergeared tanks can put out, and some of the dps are so geared that few early crits and they can pull some aoe mobs off a geared tank (it's happened to me, and I've seen it happen). It's acceptable, it neither makes the tank bad nor the dps bad for doing it.

TL;DR: I have some sympathy for fresh 50 tanks who have no other job to siphon gear/tomes from. People don't want them in their instances and they don't want them in their Garudas (and Ifrits if both tanks are "undergeared")

No, it wasn't. Before WOTG even came out people were already doing most end-game without PLD because after everyone hits hate cap in the alliance, the PLD isn't doing enough DPS to maintain hate or even bounce it, which made it pointless to bring when you could get a WAR/NIN who was top DPS and bounced hate just fine.

Also, don't give me crap about "well your DPS don't know when to hold back." They shouldn't HAVE to hold back, especially when there is an option that ALLOWED them to not hold back.

I had no problem maintaining hate before and during WotG, but you're right, PLD had some problems before WotG and then Mythics came out and all PLDs could get atonement and the problem was solved.

I agree that dps holding back is dumb, and enmity cap is dumb. The obvious and easy to fix to enmity cap, if it was so hard-coded into the game, would have been to divide the enmity values of everything by 10, enmity cap just climbed 10x. So what if, in that model, cure 1 was shoved right off the enmity tables, big deal.

I also think that there's a different between holding back and not cutting loose at the very start. Battle models where dps sometimes need to wait 15 seconds before they blow their load are not a bad thing, it's part of team work.

Instead, they chose to do nothing.

[Dreamer]

I don't understand this thread. Everybody knows the numbers and bars on the left side of the party list indicate how well you're doing damage. If you're doing the best, it even gives you an 'A' for "Awesome!"