Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
ok i am going to work today. i will not get off work until 8 pm. does that mean since i get off at 8 the entire hour counts? no it mean 8:00 my shift ends.

go down the road until you get to the stop sign. does that mean you pass the stop sign and then stop in the intersection.? no it means stop there and do not go any farther.

it was just poorly translated since he meant different than what we got. it was not in fact accurate, but flawed translation. it is not going to translate properly from one language to another and, that, i do not mind. just do not try to use flawed arguments by saying something is correct when, in fact, it was incorrect.
It means at 8:00 exactly you are working, but stop, and then go home.

"until" is a continuous action that includes the time specified. It doesn't mean you stopped working at 7:59.

This is the textbook meaning of "until." If you specific an exact INSTANT (like "until now") it means at that instant is when the change occurs, so if I say "until summer" it means at some point during summer the plan will be complete, or change, but not before summer.

If you say, "Hey, Shai, you're really uptight. Let's just get a beer and forget about it."
and I say, "Dood, I'm going to be doing this sh-t until Saturday."

Do you think I stopped Friday?
or do you think "Well I can ask him again on Saturday, when he is stopping, but he may not have stopped yet."

That's the way i understood it. So Shai is a troll after all.
Being wrong does not make one a troll.
(and I'm not wrong).