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    Player
    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowaeth View Post
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    I hope you use also buff food, if 15 int or 15 mind is so much important for you

    How many who complain about it eat buff food each dungeon run to get really every int or mind they can get?

    Quote Originally Posted by CHunterX View Post
    Limitations of the worthless class system they left in. We currently have 8 classes no one in their right mind plays past level 29 because they are worthless when compared to their jobs, even in a solo environment. They honestly should just drop the class system altogether and stick with jobs only from here on out.
    You can't level a job without level the class the same time. Each exp go to the class ^^
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    Last edited by Felis; 11-10-2013 at 06:50 AM.

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    Snowaeth's Avatar
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    Snow Ball
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 70
    Really hoping to see this changed in 2.1 or 2.2
    Just wishful thinking
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    Castillan Lionheart
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    Zalera
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Is there an inherent problem with MND stacking as a SCH, and then switching on Cleric Stance for SMN?

    I don't know. I've not played SCH/SMN, and play as a WHM, but it seems to me that stacking in MND would be the way to go based upon my WHM experiences. A MND stacked WHM in cleric stance mode is fearsome in its damage output.
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Castillan View Post
    Is there an inherent problem with MND stacking as a SCH, and then switching on Cleric Stance for SMN?

    I don't know. I've not played SCH/SMN, and play as a WHM, but it seems to me that stacking in MND would be the way to go based upon my WHM experiences. A MND stacked WHM in cleric stance mode is fearsome in its damage output.
    SMN doesn't get Cleric Stance.
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    Castillan Lionheart
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    Zalera
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Calyanare View Post
    SMN doesn't get Cleric Stance.
    That....is stupid. I just checked, yeah, SCH gets it, but not SMN? Now that is silly setup, especially with SCH and SMN having MND/INT relatively close together, unlike WHM.
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    N'hara Tia
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Castillan View Post
    That....is stupid. I just checked, yeah, SCH gets it, but not SMN? Now that is silly setup, especially with SCH and SMN having MND/INT relatively close together, unlike WHM.
    You don't really get why Cleric Stance exists, do you?

    Cleric Stance doesn't exist so Arcanists can cheat the bonus attribute system. Cleric Stance exists so that healers, who are stuck wearing healer gear and wielding healer weapons, can get a boost to their offensive power so they can do solo content.
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    Bladeglory's Avatar
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    Bladeglory Ilucien
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashgarth View Post
    -One of the main selling points of the game is the hability to play all classes in one character.
    -One of the classes with has to choose between two completely different roles to play effectively in endgame scenarios.
    I've got bad news for you buddy: The only thing stopping me from playing all classes on my one character isn't my stat distribution. I've played the entirety of endgame SCH with only 10 points in MND. Not once have I heard somebody ask what my stat distribution is, or even complain that I just couldn't heal enough. No, the biggest hinderance for end-game multi-classing is gear availability and advancement. If you want to complain about "having to choose," direct it towards gear lock-outs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Castillan View Post
    That....is stupid. I just checked, yeah, SCH gets it, but not SMN? Now that is silly setup, especially with SCH and SMN having MND/INT relatively close together, unlike WHM.
    Well, SMN could get Cleric Stance, but you'd have to give up either [Thunder, Swiftcast, and Surecast] or [Raging Strikes and Quelling Strikes] for [Aero, Cleric Stance, Protect, and Stoneskin].
    Besides, Cleric Stance would be completely useless after ilvl 60 gear unless Demagogue/Casting gear got MND values equaling 80% of their INT values or SMN could wear Strategos/Healing gear.
    So no, it's not stupid. It's designed so that Healers can DPS when they're not healing.
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    Tymora Estrellauta
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    And somewhere else people are complaining about lack of customization for the character.
    (Here, you have 3 choices (sch+, smn/sch, smn+), instead of just 1...in which case, they might as well do away with the bonus attributes since just about everyone is going to pile on the primary stat)

    I would imagine this is not just going to stay but it will be expanded upon.
    E.g. WAR+ or DRK+...etc
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    AunaYuuki's Avatar
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    Aizu Varenshutain
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 50
    It makes you pick one to be a main rather than anything else but at full i90 sch/smner you can easily go full vit and do your job. There are multiple reasons behind it besides "bad programming." I guess many people haven't played traditional mmos on forums. Why do people continue to bring up this? There are already 1000 posts about it go cry there.
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    "Only the victors are allowed to live. This world is merciless like that."-Mikasa Ackerman
    "Wouldn't it be good to forget everything even if it's just for tonight? Indulge in pleasure...breathe a sweet poison deep into your lungs."
    "Hatred and sorrow are power. They are yours to control. All you have to do is turn them into strength and use that strength to move forward." ~Sebastian Michaelis

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    Character
    Ashgarth Sorel
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    -One of the main selling points of the game is the hability to play all classes in one character.
    -One of the classes with has to choose between two completely different roles to play effectively in endgame scenarios.

    Classes are an old concept that just doesnt work, remember that jobs were released so that the game could be changed into something resembling a FF title without completely losing all the progres we had made so far in 1.0.

    The ones who suffered this the most were Conjurers who suddenly became healers and thaumaturges who could no longer heal, yet SE decided that the class concept should be kept for lore and adaptavily (Imagine having to rework the entire city, questline and NPCs by elimitating the classes in 1.0) so they kept them and since progress was saved to ARR they still exist now,

    The prupose of "Using class for solo content" just doesnt work for one reason, there is no such content in ARR,
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