Quote Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch View Post
Yeah no, an average group isn't going to clear it around the 10 minute mark if they rush, and most DF groups won't be beating 20 with normal pulls.
They should be able to, if they're really tired of doing it like some of them claim. I've done it in 20 something mins. with people using Ifrit's weapons, which in my opinion are the starter endgame weapons (easier ones to get at 50), and a mix of WP-AK-DL gear. It requires a decent and somewhat experienced group though (I was never talking about the DF there, as I said in that same paragraph that I do it with my FC), but it should be a non issue if they've really done the dungeon 892734892 times as to feel the need to rush it. Otherwise it's just what you said earlier: they saw (or read about) a random video and they want to do it themselves with worse gear and/or using the DF (bad idea), which is what the OP is talking about. A simple case of the "IwantitNAO" syndrome, people eager to get things done ASAP but that fail to see the shortcomings of their intended plans

Just to mention it, some of my WP runs were a disaster (the first ones, above all, with our noobishness with the dungeon and our AF gear) or took a long time to finish, but I never expected to end them in 20 minutes, specially when using the DF. But some people lack the patience to improve their characters and themselves, or to let others do so, and then you have all these horror stories and threads about things that people do in the DF.