What's up with tanks?

[CHunterX]

No it doesn't, at all.
Then perhaps they should.
Very easy. There are plenty about.

I doubt many tanks (even ones without Relic) would join a DPS without a Relic, simply due to the demand of tanks.
Waste of travel time
Being "active" means squat when "active" means a different time between two different people. So no, there are not "plenty" of active FCs. There are a few active FCs, and even fewer active at the same time as someone looking for a FC.

[zakalw3]

I doubt many tanks (even ones without Relic) would join a DPS without a Relic, simply due to the demand of tanks.
Waste of travel time
Being "active" means squat when "active" means a different time between two different people. So no, there are not "plenty" of active FCs. There are a few active FCs, and even fewer active at the same time as someone looking for a FC.

They would, and they do.
Then don't complain - the option is there, you're choosing not to use it.
No, there are plenty of active FCs with connecting timezones. More than plenty. You've not even tried to look if you think this.

[JPPILIP]

I doubt many tanpeoplven ones without Relic) would join a DPS without a Relic, simply due to the demand of tanks.
Waste of travel time
Being "active" means squat when "active" means a different time between two different people. So no, there are not "plenty" of active FCs. There are a few active FCs, and even fewer active at the same time as someone looking for a FC.

Then create you own FC/LS with like minded people who play at the same time you do.

[Steeled]

I join many different runs, I just don't care and I push for the most.

My "static dps" (two friends of mine) presently have a garuda blm staff and ifrit brd bow and we clear in 17 minutes.

Relics aren't necessary.

I am a relic pld, but i have no delusion that we're killing that much faster because of my sword.

[Yashnaheen]

I agree with the 'that's duty finder for you' comments. DF is my last resort, and most of the time I regret queuing up. There are occasional exceptions... but that's all they are.

In any case, you don't even need relics in WP to SR it.

[teh_nam3less]

God tanks get so much hate. And you wonder why there's not a lot of tanks.

[MomoOG]

I think this is more an issue of the Tank trying to speedrun (most likely wp) and the rest of the party/healer not being on the same page.

[Yshnal]

We can do that in 40 minutes each (normal pulls) = 1600 minutes which is... 27 hours or we can do it in 20 minutes (easily!) so half the time.

WP can be done in 20 minutes with normal pulls and without rushing and/or pulling all rooms at once, unless something goes wrong (it can happen, we are not machines). If you really rush it, it should take you a bit more than 10 min., or even less if all party members have good gear and the run goes smoothly (yeah, like in the famous video). But whatever, what I'm saying is that you don't have to rush it, or force anyone to do it, to do a fast 20 min. run. That's how I usually do it with my FC, unless someone is in a hurry and we all agree to make it fast.

Anyway, what I find amusing is that some people go into the DF to do a speedrun. Are they aware that with a random party of strangers that aren't used to play together (or even if just one of them is not used to play with the rest), if they try to rush it they're increasing their chances to wipe and it would take them more time to finish the dungeon? And that's if they even finish it.

And yes, some of us (tanks) don't use the DF anymore thanks to some people's attitudes. I used to do random dungeons just for the sake of helping with the shortage of tanks, but nowadays I just do my weekly WP/AK runs with my FC (plenty of tomestomes), or help them when they need it. I'm terribly sorry for that myself, but I couldn't take it anymore when I was having fun just in a handful of runs. I play to have fun, not to be stressed by a random bot/jerk, and/or to see how they belittle any other party member. I gave them almost three months of opportunities, though :P

[Doo]

Yeah not big on FC's (bad guild experience in past from FFXI). Guess I am stuck with dealing with the bad tanks. Thanks for input guys!

Honestly if you were the guy that was asking me to not pull in groups, it's most likely that you need to improve your healing skills rather than bad tanks. You're going to encounter many players that don't want to kill small group after small group in wp.

[ShinHikari7]

Has anyone else seen this:
The past few weeks I have seen a trend where tank players have been playing with more reckless abandon than normal. Specifically, they run ahead if the rest if the party and throw themselves into groups of enemies without any regard for whether the rest of the party (especially healers) are even nearby. This results in one of two outcomes: healers have to spam heals causing aggro to shift to them (and their eventual death), or tank dies (which usually results in tank blaming healer).
When did this lack of strategy and teamwork with regards to tank players become a thing? Is this just a NA phenomenon? Is anyone else seeing this?

Part of the problem is boredom from lack of endgame content. Also some parties DEMAND speed from their tanks and as such we are always pressured to move as quickly as possible through dungeons or risk endless bitching. Also some tanks are just not meant to be Tanks.