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    Player
    Kuvu's Avatar
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    Ashigaru Gladespliter
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    most people don't want to be tanks because they don't want to be responsible if the party wipes even if it's not their fault.
    No most people don't want to be tanks because they are tired of putting up with peoples BS, as one said earlier, you mark mobs they don't attack them and then they complain about getting agro. Every instance you have some smart dps that knows everything, and really all dps do is go through a rotation, they don't worry about anything.They see a mob they attack it no matter if the tank has agro or not they don't have to worry about anything just hit the 3 or 4 buttons over and over. You would think the hardest job in the game people would give you a little respect but they dont and i am tired of dealing with all the crud. I have no problem with timing an instance out, tanks need to stop putting up with the BS and just sitting down and timing them out till the person or persons leave. Just tonight 3 out of 4 groups were crap, i put off capping all week just because i don't want to deal with the DF trash and the only reason i haven't made my own is that my friends have not been on or i would have already capped.
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    Heal Bus
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Really? Are we going into the my role is harder than your role part?
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    Lasdor Edenholt
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    Cerberus
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HealBus View Post
    Really? Are we going into the my role is harder than your role part?
    Have you ever heard of "e-peen"? In the end it's all about it.
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    Noshpan's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Ganth Fyrion
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    I've never done any tanking, been too nervous to do so.
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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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    Eth's Avatar
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    Ariala Valentine
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    Goblin
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    'Cause I'ma WHM. ^_^
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Uriahnool View Post
    I also need to constantly keep hate on mobs, which is difficult.

    Now I feel I have to constantly flash and provoke or it is very easy for a mob to get away, start attacking healer, then I have to focus on getting hate form that mob, only to have the original mob lose hate and go for healer. It's a juggling act I just hate having to always deal with.

    Meanwhile party is getting mad because I don't keep hate.
    If a Healer is overtaking your Enmity on secondary mobs through Flash/Overpower, its the Healers fault.
    I say with a fair degree of certainty, having leveled both tank classes, and both heal classes. And the reason is as follows:
    >-|Overhealing|<- It actually generates a LOT of Enmity on everything all at once. I don't mean a Overheal of maybe 20 or 30, I'm referring to ADD Healers who drop 250+ Cure bombs on my 23 Paladin in Halatali after taking just 45 points of damage.

    If a Heal spell actually restores HP to the target, the Enmity Generation is tiny, almost unnoticeable (Specially in lower levels), Im not sure what the formula is for that, but looking at the evidence, its low.
    Now, when a Heal spell lands on a target and does NOT restore HP due to target already having full HP, It will generate far more Enmity than usual.
    This is why Medica is such an aggro bomb, its not often in a 4 player dungeon that all 4 players get to a state that requires that attention. Yet many CNJs will drop Medica if even 2 people get slightly hurt. This causes large overheals on 4 targets at once and .. Well, we know already that overhealing generates more hate than usual, and that CNJ just bombed 4 people at once with a large overheal.
    Incidentally, this is also why Eos (SCH Heal pet) gets so much hate. Many SCH's force cast her heal on full/near full HP players, as well as her habit of using the AoE regen every time its up.

    If you run with a healer who is constantly stealing hate from you, ask them to not throw any heals at you until you're around 50% HP ( In lower end sub 40 dungeons anyways) as they can just just about heal you back to full from there with a single cast.
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    waldo's Avatar
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    Character
    Lilly Grace
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I tank everything as my first option, so I'll tell you why I do tank. I love that I can get 30 myth tomes in 15 minutes, I love that I know Titan won't wipe the whole group with 1 mountain buster, I love my fc calls on me for instances and DF queues me instantly so I'm never waiting around. I love I can tank Garuda and 1 sister so I get sick dps and super fast clears. So much good comes from being a geared, knowledgable tank... Very little bad.
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    Evangela Monterossa
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    I'm not a natural tank, never played a tank in any MMO.
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    APilgrim's Avatar
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    Noldor Avari
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 50
    I've always played healers in MMOs, and never had any desire to play a tank. Tried MRD on a whim one day and discovered I love tanking - my PLD will be hitting 50 tomorrow. I've found a vast majority of DF groups have had great people in them; with only a couple of douches in about 180 dungeon runs so far. It's a great feeling to lead a group with new people in it through a dungeon successfully, I dig it.
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    Last edited by APilgrim; 11-09-2013 at 03:43 PM.

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    Kaguya Houraisan
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 61
    I play all roles. But I'm kind of insecure so I don't tank much.
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