The Community Is Fine - people are not perfect, neither are you

[zakalw3]

Too many threads are being are commenting on the "toxicity" of ARR's community, too many posts about experiences with individuals who were anti-social with exclamations that these singular happenings spell the downfall of everything.

This community is the exact same as every single commercial game ever made. There are "decent" people, and "bad apples", and the reason these are in quotation marks is these people are largely one and the same.

Yes, there are some who are constant days of sunlight.
Yes, there are those who lure storm clouds wherever they go.

But the vast majority are just normal people, people who have good days and bad.

I've been gaming for 20 years, from child to adult, and every single online community has been the same.

There's no difference between CoD or Battlefield
There's no difference between Dota or League
There's no difference between ARR and any other MMO out there

If you think there is you're one if a few things:

Deluded
Extremely unlucky (an outlier)
Ignoring the good and focusing on the bad
One of the extremes

Remember folks: bump into a jerk in the morning, you bumped into a jerk; bump into jerks all day, you're the jerk.

[Baneus]

What always amuses me is the belief that there needs to be a reason to be nice to someone. You should never need a reason to be nice to someone. You should, however, always have a really, really, really good reason why you aren't.

[Vantwan]

"You're not stuck in traffic, you ARE traffic"

[DenzelTaru]

i do believe people are alot ruder, obnoxious and generally d-baggier in xiv than when i played XI 2005-2008

[Orsnoire]

i do believe people are alot ruder, obnoxious and generally d-baggier in xiv than when i played XI 2005-2008

Nostalgia will do that for you.

And that's not meant as a derogatory criticism. 5 years of intervening memories is an AWFULLY long time to try and preserve a clear memory when you haven't had consistent refreshers along the way.

[Rex]

i do believe people are alot ruder, obnoxious and generally d-baggier in xiv than when i played XI 2005-2008

Dare I say it - It's the WoW crowd.

Not the entire wow crowd. But I know between XI and WoW, people were generally nicer on XI than anyone I saw on WoW. I never played WoW. But my friend quit XI for WoW And I saw how people were. And I saw how he started to act too.

[frostmagemari]

Dare I say it - It's the WoW crowd.

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Not the entire wow crowd. But I know between XI and WoW, people were generally nicer on XI than anyone I saw on WoW. I never played WoW. But my friend quit XI for WoW And I saw how people were. And I saw how he started to act too.

"I never played that game i'm criticizing, or met anyone in that game.. but i -totally- know everything about the community in that other game."
Sound about right? >.>;


As someone who played WoW until only a few months ago, i can tell you that my server had far more good than bad which is probably something you'll find on any server that you play on. Just like this game, you'll find far more good than bad on an average day, but if you go looking for and focus on the bad, then you'll find and remember the bad.

[Reslin]

As someone who played WoW until only a few months ago, i can tell you that my server had far more good than bad which is probably something you'll find on any server that you play on. Just like this game, you'll find far more good than bad on an average day, but if you go looking for and focus on the bad, then you'll find and remember the bad.

People who claim 11 had nicer players than 14 don't take something into consideration. Most of these complaints about "elitist players" or "Uncaring players" or those that want to "Just get things done." occur at end game. FF11 is perceived by some as better community probably by people who didn't make it to it's end game due to the leveling system. In most modern mmorpgs getting to the end game is actually easily achieved by most casual players. The same players who wouldn't have made it to the end game in older mmorpgs.

[Sunarie]

Completely agree! I do think it's more common to run into people acting badly now, but I attribute that to there being more people in general playing (which isn't a bad thing). So there's more bad, and more good... and as far as personal experience goes, I've not ran into too many bad in this game (we're not counting the forums).

I think the problem is that just like with RNG, the bad times stick out more than the good. So that one icky person you run into is memorable, while the 8 runs you did without an icky person aren't as likely to stick in your memory.

[zakalw3]

Exactly Sunarie, people remeber/report the bad much more often than the good. It's just how humans tend to operate.