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    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nullie View Post
    I know right? Like the spell speed of af2 and determination on allagan body are gonna make a game changer in coil!
    That's min/maxing. Even if it's a 0.1% HPS increase, it's still an increase.

    Quote Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl View Post
    Af1.5 and allagan robe both have very situational uses.
    Not really. DET is always a better stat for WHM than SS. There is, currently, no reason to ever use the AF1.5 body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    That's min/maxing. Even if it's a 0.1% HPS increase, it's still an increase.



    Not really. DET is always a better stat for WHM than SS. There is, currently, no reason to ever use the AF1.5 body.
    I actually tyring to figure out this one. is DET ay better than Spell Speed? You seem very confident that DET is better.
    I did some test myself. It seem that both stat ... doing the same exact result on my parser. But then again, maybe the parser I use is not accurate.

    One thing that could make DET better is the fact that afther a hundred cast of Cure, you will maybe save some mana.

    But like I said, I base my observation on my little home testing. I could be wrong. But isn't it better to be able to land your big heals faster?
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    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iroukan View Post
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    Spell speed seems to have been tested in the future when we're all in iLvl 300 gear, because at the moment it requires downright massive amounts to be anywhere near useful. I'm at 450 SS, and my GCD is 2.39s. There's a scale obviously, but just taking the average into consideration, that's approximately 0.01s per 41 SS. That's incredibly inefficient. Additionally, SS doesn't effect HoT tick rate, so it's not like Druid on WoW where you can squeeze out an extra Regen tick with enough SS. Finally, take into consideration that you are rarely spamming spells. As a WHM, you should be playing proactively, not reactively; precasting spells to land at the moment your tank is hit by something (Death Sentence, Table Flip, etc), which means that SS isn't actually being utilized.

    It's possible that it'll be useful in the future, but at the current moment, DET > SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    Not really. DET is always a better stat for WHM than SS. There is, currently, no reason to ever use the AF1.5 body.
    SS will always be better in critical situation (and god knows they happen).
    Healing 60 more HP per heal means nothing if your spell is late. Casting faster will always be the difference between a clutch heal and a dead tank even if it's 0.01 sec.
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    Last edited by TimeZero; 11-12-2013 at 12:09 AM.

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    You also get a lot more mileage out of Thyrus +1 since all allagan weapon drops come from Turn 5. If you're looking to get out of Cowl, HQ Vanya with melded materia is a very strong upgrade.
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    @ Shiji.

    Party setup varies since Yui does coils with pugs. My first time in T1-T3 however was a: PLD(2) + WHM + SCH+ BRD(2) + DRG + BLM
    And even as Asuna with full i90 gear is annoying to heal a WAR anyway.
    Not because of the job, but because people don't know how to play it. I rarely party with WARs, including AK/WP.

    And no, I havn't beat T5. Closes I get with my group is ~20%. We die to fire spits/Black balls before enrage.
    T5 does not depend on a person, every single party member needs to be on point and be very well geared. But I'm sure you already knew that.

    @ Raenryong

    I was the only healer alive during that first coil run, and Im usually the last healer to die.

    - 2nd Healer let his tank die
    - 2nd Healer died
    - Snakes came to me, I ran towards my tank while using Benediction
    - Snakes merged
    - I Used a X-Ether since BRD didn't have MP song up
    - Used 2 more Cure 2s on Tank
    - Boss died...
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    Last edited by DivineAyumi; 11-11-2013 at 03:02 AM.

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    What makes me most sad, is when games became all about number crunching and not about having fun. Sometimes I think you need an advanced degree in mathmatics to play - so you get your "numbers" just right.
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    Last edited by BrodyAlgana; 11-19-2013 at 03:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodyAlgana View Post
    What makes me most sad, is when games became all about number crunching and not about having fun. Sometimes I think you need an advanced degree in mathmatics to play - so you get your "numbers" just right.
    It is not "all about number crunching." It is possible to number crunch all you want and to still suck at the game.
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    At the end of the day, none of the secondary stats will make a huge difference. However, det does increase healing by a visible amount and will never hurt you. Spell speed may allow you a faction of a second to move or get a heal off but in reality, if a tank drops before a gcd is up or you can't get a heal off before you need to move, its an issue of bad timing. And no amount of gear will help that.
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