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    saber_alter's Avatar
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulburn32 View Post
    every class the relic +1 is better than any piece of gear
    not true. if you need +1 as a paladin because your having trouble holding hate, your doing something wrong.

    +1 shield is okay, but you should start with af2 chest or coordinate with the other tank if your in a static coil group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    not true. if you need +1 as a paladin because your having trouble holding hate, your doing something wrong.

    +1 shield is okay, but you should start with af2 chest or coordinate with the other tank if your in a static coil group.
    Why would I spend Myth tomes on something that might drop for me my very first coil run?

    Atleast with the relic +1 you know those are tomes well spent. Anyone just getting ready to coil should know it will mostly likely be several weeks before they even come close to clearing turn 5.
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    Womble O'flaherty
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulburn32 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    not true. if you need +1 as a paladin because your having trouble holding hate, your doing something wrong.

    +1 shield is okay, but you should start with af2 chest or coordinate with the other tank if your in a static coil group.
    Why would I spend Myth tomes on something that might drop for me my very first coil run?
    (i) The AF+1 Body is pretty much Best In Slot for a PLD. Yes, Allagan Armor might drop for you from Turn 1, but you're still going to use the Body pretty much always (both before and after you get the drops from Turn 5) and it's a much larger boost to Vit than the Sword.

    (ii) The Body is 825 Tomes. The Heros Ring of Fending (which should pretty much always be your first myth purchase as it's basically never going to be unequipped unless you're Spiritbonding) is 375 tomes. 825+375=1200, or Four weeks of Myth farming exactly. For points-of-Vit-gained-per-week-of-myth-farming that really can't be beaten (assuming full Darklight/Hoplite). The other option is Valor Legs, but they're not BIS, plus Darklight Legs have good accuracy (unlike Darklight Body) and swapping them out too early pushes you under the Coil accuracy cap.

    (Maybe I'm biased though as I've not seen a single Tank drop yet from Turn 1 so far...)

    I'd still go for the +1 Sword after the Body though (I'm getting it on Myth Week #6) followed by the Headgear unless by some miracle you're already clearing Turn 5.

    I'd echo the view above about the +1 Weapon's Enmity boosts being very handy for certain turns though - In Turn 2 when we go East our Tanks basically pull 25% less hate, but our Bards are still putting out the same amount of damage as before and have to back off a bit. It's not really the enmity reduction that's killing us at the moment as much as trying to keep the silence rotation up during severe lag spikes... but every little bit helps!!
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    Kana Reith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    The other option is Valor Legs, but they're not BIS

    They are BiS....
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    Christopher
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    Colin Chulainn
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    Quote Originally Posted by YarozeX View Post
    They are BiS....
    Arguing BiS over 2 potential choices in this game is really, really, stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YarozeX View Post
    They are BiS....
    Fine,

    "In certain situations (like when you want +10 Parry over +24 Det) they're BIS.
    Whereas Valor Body is ALWAYS BIS unless you're terminally short on Accuracy."


    Happy now?
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    Kamahl Stormblessed
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    I'm currently working on t5, and still haven't bought +1 sword. The only time I have even slight aggro issues is on ADS, due to slash resistance. This isn't to say that I'm not spending tomes - I have valor head/chest/gloves/legs and myth ring. As long as threat isn't an issue, and it isn't for me, then I try to upgrade what will give me the highest ilevel boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    Fine,

    "In certain situations (like when you want +10 Parry over +24 Det) they're BIS.
    Whereas Valor Body is ALWAYS BIS unless you're terminally short on Accuracy."


    Happy now?
    Happy =D
    /10char
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    Christopher
    Japan

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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    not true. if you need +1 as a paladin because your having trouble holding hate, your doing something wrong.

    +1 shield is okay, but you should start with af2 chest or coordinate with the other tank if your in a static coil group.
    Not all together true. Turn 4 as the tank doing the add pick ups (aka the actual hard part), you need all the threat youc an get so your dps can go ham. Also, as your dps gear up, they do close the gap. Before I did coil 4 & 5 I would have agreed with you, but now that we have mutliple dps in full left side i90, threat is much more heated.

    Your primary job, as a tank, is to build and hold agro. No upgrade other than your sword will have as big an impact on this. Sword & shield should always be first.
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