Careful vs. Standard

[scarebearz]

Ingenuity can one shot it at that around craft, which is probably better since you can set it up before touch+blessing for a full 2xtouches of higher progress.

more professionally, ingenuity2+careful2 is 325ish, which is the better choice.

There really isn't that many reason to 2shot twinthread, unless you are using craft food in the first place and hurt for cp.

I don't see why anyone would want to use more than 2 skills on making twinthread, there is no point in HQ'ing them, unless you wish to sell them to poorer geared/less x-class crafter's to use.

ingenuity2+careful2 is still 2 hits, so from my point of view, it makes no difference.

Either way my previous point was simply stating a fact, not an opinion.

[kukurumei]

I don't see why anyone would want to use more than 2 skills on making twinthread, there is no point in HQ'ing them, unless you wish to sell them to poorer geared/less x-class crafter's to use.

ingenuity2+careful2 is still 2 hits, so from my point of view, it makes no difference.

Either way my previous point was simply stating a fact, not an opinion.

ingenuity2+careful2 stops being 2 hits at 325 craft on one star.

And you HQ twin, to avoid RNG. while people will think "Oh I just goto the 2star rotation thread"...please that's just armchairing. You get what you can when you are making a product that can lose you a lot of money, both either yourself or your customer.

Twin,spruce,darksteel is one of the easier stuff to HQ and used pretty much non stop, why wouldn't you want to HQ them, and you are being hypocritical in exact that, if you have enough craft to ingenuity2+careful2 (and most people CP up first on their accessories), why shouldn't you. You need about 350cp after food to do a full on 6xBT rotation with ingenuity2+careful at the end. It comes out exactly right.

And finally, any crafter would be ditching their NQ mats and only carry HQ mats around. They are easier to keep stocked, and sell. I never have NQ mats on me unless I can buy them.

Fact is you need 325 to go careful2. otherwise you go standard touch. 2 shotting twin is pure BS, unless you're hurting for skills and/or CP. neither should happen to any crafter doing 1star regularly.

The "fact" is simple in this case: 6x touch 1xGS-Blessing, and a synth.

at 10~15%HQ for 70/80, you need only 340CP to do a full on 5xBT to 100%. You can do that even without food! No HQ my rear.

[Classikal]

You need about 350cp after food to do a full on 6xBT rotation with ingenuity2+careful at the end.

Bolded is incorrect, you can do a 6 touch rotation with only 335 CP required, which is easily obtainable as I have 339 with only my accessories max-melded and 0 materia in my AF/offhand. I'm not quite sure what variation of skill combos you are using, but mine has been posted in 2 different threads on this forum.

[scarebearz]

ingenuity2+careful2 stops being 2 hits at 325 craft on one star.

By "2 hits" I am of course talking about 2 skills used, i.e. making a twinthread in as little time as possible.

Ing2 + CS2 = CS2 + CS2 in terms of the number of skills used.

And you HQ twin, to avoid RNG. while people will think "Oh I just goto the 2star rotation thread"...please that's just armchairing. You get what you can when you are making a product that can lose you a lot of money, both either yourself or your customer.

Twin,spruce,darksteel is one of the easier stuff to HQ and used pretty much non stop, why wouldn't you want to HQ them, and you are being hypocritical in exact that, if you have enough craft to ingenuity2+careful2 (and most people CP up first on their accessories), why shouldn't you. You need about 350cp after food to do a full on 6xBT rotation with ingenuity2+careful at the end. It comes out exactly right.

And finally, any crafter would be ditching their NQ mats and only carry HQ mats around. They are easier to keep stocked, and sell. I never have NQ mats on me unless I can buy them.

Fact is you need 325 to go careful2. otherwise you go standard touch. 2 shotting twin is pure BS, unless you're hurting for skills and/or CP. neither should happen to any crafter doing 1star regularly.

The "fact" is simple in this case: 6x touch 1xGS-Blessing, and a synth.

at 10~15%HQ for 70/80, you need only 340CP to do a full on 5xBT to 100%. You can do that even without food! No HQ my rear.

I don't intent this to offend you, but the above information is of little use.

With the right x-class skills and ok'ish gears you should never need to be using HQ mats to craft anything 1 star and under.

With reasonable gears + food, the same applies to 2 star crafts.

If your making stacks of HQ mats to use, then personally I think your wasting you time. :/

[Classikal]

Since I've started using the 335 CP rotation, I have used 0 HQ materials, I don't worry about them any more since I've been able to get 100% on 1-star with it very easily. And since I was able to get 100% on the Pineapple Juice synth I attempted 1st try with minimal effort, I almost certain I can do 2-star with the same rotation, as I am no where near the cap on Control since I have 0 melds in AF/offhands, I also still have the option to upgrade Standard Touch to Advanced Touch(if needed) using Stone Soup (or Frutementy if I finish my CP melds), or I could just use control food and keep using Standard Touch.

But if I was able to get it to 100% that time, I would think just full melding the AF with materia would be more than enough to solidify those results.

[kukurumei]

Since I've started using the 335 CP rotation, I have used 0 HQ materials, I don't worry about them any more since I've been able to get 100% on 1-star with it very easily. And since I was able to get 100% on the Pineapple Juice synth I attempted 1st try with minimal effort, I almost certain I can do 2-star with the same rotation, as I am no where near the cap on Control since I have 0 melds in AF/offhands, I also still have the option to upgrade Standard Touch to Advanced Touch(if needed) using Stone Soup (or Frutementy if I finish my CP melds), or I could just use control food and keep using Standard Touch.

But if I was able to get it to 100% that time, I would think just full melding the AF with materia would be more than enough to solidify those results.

OOORrrrr.... you can just meld your accessories, and just stick with no meld AF, and just raise to the craft requirement with food.

This means you can craft 2 stars in multi jobs at minimal cost

[Classikal]

OOORrrrr.... you can just meld your accessories, and just stick with no meld AF, and just raise to the craft requirement with food.

This means you can craft 2 stars in multi jobs at minimal cost

The thing is, melds are permanent, food is not, if you do it through food you have to keep replenishing your food. Once you get the melds in the AF, you don't have to re-get them unless you upgrade the gear.

I can use food until I can complete the melds (if it's needed), but the melds should be the ultimate goal not the food.

[Odd]

Oh wow I'm such a noob!

I have 5 crafts at 50, and all this time I thought all touch actions were 90% successful.

My humble apologies.

[Teykos]

Oh wow I'm such a noob!

I have 5 crafts at 50, and all this time I thought all touch actions were 90% successful.

I wish. :/