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  1. #3561
    Player
    Avatar de Rosentretter
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    Theodore Rosentretter
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Clover_Blake Voir le message
    For the record, his comment did sound as a gratuitous attack to me as well.
    I still don't see the attack on Lauront's post. But I see an attack message from the "victim", on his~ unique alt post.
    (2)

  2. #3562
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    Avatar de Kazgrel
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    Character
    Kazela Arniman
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Guerrier Lv 80
    I always manage the cool poses on my alt jobs...

    (3)

  3. #3563
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    Avatar de Pomelo
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    Pomelo Elmbrook
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Astromancien Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Clover_Blake Voir le message
    For the record, his comment did sound as a gratuitous attack to me as well.
    LOL

    This is actually ridiculous, If you read Lauront's posts Im sure you'll see which side of any old flag he's on. Clearly he's stating that a caricature character such as the one shown does nothing for the image that most LGBT people are trying to get away from, we aren't looking to stand out, or looking for any attention.
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  4. #3564
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    Avatar de Yamimarik
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    Marik Destiel
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    Hyperion
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    Invocateur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Pomelo Voir le message
    LOL

    This is actually ridiculous, If you read Lauront's posts Im sure you'll see which side of any old flag he's on. Clearly he's stating that a caricature character such as the one shown does nothing for the image that most LGBT people are trying to get away from, we aren't looking to stand out, or looking for any attention.
    Eww... gross. There is nothing wrong with being yourself. And trying to shame someone into not being their self is honestly just wrong and disgusting. There are all walks of life in every single place in this world. No matter who you are, what you are, where you come from, who you love and not love. Just be yourself and be honest with yourself.

    Again there is nothing wrong with being yourself. If you want to be flamboyant then work it! If you want to be quiet and reserved, do you. But no need to come for others and who they are...
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  5. #3565
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    Avatar de Pomelo
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    Pomelo Elmbrook
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    Odin
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    Astromancien Lv 90
    Well isn't that just your view as one member of the LGBT community?

    I was expressing my view as another member of the SAME community. And fyi, no one came for another, as usual someone took offence at something so silly and petty. Everyone will be taking offence at a simple "hello" next. Good god girl get a GRIP.
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  6. #3566
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    Avatar de Yamimarik
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    Marik Destiel
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    Hyperion
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    Invocateur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Pomelo Voir le message
    Well isn't that just your view as one member of the LGBT community?

    I was expressing my view as another member of the SAME community. And fyi, no one came for another, as usual someone took offence at something so silly and petty. Everyone will be taking offence at a simple "hello" next. Good god girl get a GRIP.
    No. your so called "view" was trying to belittle someone in said community for not being what your viewpoint, morals, or standing in that community is in your so called "view".

    So by trying to do that, you were insulting them. I'm sorry... Yes I am part of the LGBTQ+ community and no... as far as I'm aware I never got any memo that stated we as a community were trying to distance ourselves from others and who they are and how they wish to represent themselves. Again you're allowed to have your personal view and opinion. But you better be ready for those who disagree with you and see what you're actually saying. And willing to accept to be called out when it's clearly
    hateful and inappropriate.

    EDIT: After this message though, I will no longer derail this thread any further. I'm simply just going to blacklist the appropriate people, and some already are.
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  7. #3567
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    Avatar de Rosentretter
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    Theodore Rosentretter
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    And all this gay drama started because a weird hair color~ this is why I can't identify myself with that so called LGBT community. I'm gay but I don't like the LGBT community at all. As Pomelo said, if you even say "hello" you are gonna offend someone lol
    (6)

  8. #3568
    Player Avatar de Theodric
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Faucheur Lv 90
    Well, that's unfortunate. Though it wouldn't be the FFXIV community without excessive hyperbole and an insistence upon reading into things in the worst possible light, would it? I guess I'm free to weigh in on this given that I'm Lauront's partner and all. We're both men. We're together. I'm sure you can figure out what that results in.

    Nobody is demanding that the character should be changed, it was a simple comment made in passing. Be flamboyant if you so please, just don't be surprised when some people raise eyebrows when that ends up resulting in stereotypes being enforced.
    (6)

  9. #3569
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    Avatar de Clover_Blake
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    Clover Blake
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    Balmung
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    Élémentaliste Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Rosentretter Voir le message
    And all this gay drama started because a weird hair color~ this is why I can't identify myself with that so called LGBT community. I'm gay but I don't like the LGBT community at all. As Pomelo said, if you even say "hello" you are gonna offend someone lol
    Wait, I'm really lost. So, someone makes a gratuitous negative comment about the LGBT flag, telling another user that his character "would look better without the flag". Said user merely replies stating that there's nothing wrong with the flag and he's proud of it. And then several random people join a discussion that was supposed to be over, acting the most offended while at the same time trying to make the screenshot user look like drama queen.

    I for one didn't see any big drama until you and others joined with your blaming. Honestly, I don't know what's going on, but the irony feels quite heavy here.
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  10. #3570
    Player Avatar de Theodric
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
    World
    Cerberus
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    Faucheur Lv 90
    It seems like an issue to agree to disagree on, no? Not everything translates well through text, after all. Which is precisely why people should not leap to bold conclusions and assume that anything resembling critique is meant as a deeply personal attack.

    Though as mentioned earlier, such things seem to go hand in hand with a considerable portion of FFXIV's community. To the extent that simply telling a player to be cautious of a particularly mechanic they persistently die to is considered to be one of the worst things they have ever experienced.
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