XIV:ARR what SE could change to make the XI Playerbase more Happy

[Eekiki]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.explosion.com/47460/squar...s-projections/

This game alone has caused SE to go from a projected net income loss of $13 million to a $26 million profit this fiscal year. It's done this in less than two months.

When it comes to core design, whatever Yoshi-P has planned for this game does not need to change one bit. As part of the FFXI player base, he's already made me plenty happy with this game.

[Kazamoto]

Edit at Kazamoto : WoW 2 is WoW 2, if it were FF online and FF online 2 maybe things could be understandable. But they are two different games, Do you think people want Diablo to become WoW? I haven't seen people ask that ever. Do you think they asked WoW to be like Warcraft 3? Doubtful, or perhaps WoW to be like Diablo? No that never happened.

This is why the 2nd part of my example mentions the new game being "World of Starcraft". World of StarCraft would be a new game.


Two games in the same genre, with similar titles, as you even said, character races and famous npc's, from the same developer are perfectly fair game to compare to one another.

Who are you, or is anyone to say that "This game was never made for you. "?

I seriously doubt a single person from the Dev team would agree with that statement.

Most of the early adopters of FFXIV, and a huge percentage of the 1.0 playerbase were FFXI players.

For once, the chicken-littles are right, FFXI is dying. There have been design decisions made that almost look like the death of FFXI was intentional.

SquareEnix likely has little interest in running two server farms at once when they could simply move the player base from the old to the new.

FFXIV does not exist in a vacuum. It is not its own individual game, it stands on the shoulders of FFXI. Were it not for the successes of FFXI, there likely would not be 2nd Final Fantasy MMO.

There are changes made that I agree with as my own play style has become more casual as I have aged. I was in highschool when FFXI came out. Now I am married, paying a mortgage, and working in a highly competitive field. I have less time than I used to, so faster content is nice.

So I ask you Cynric, if FFXIV was never made for people who play SquareEnix MMO's, who did SquareEnix make it for?

[Redemption]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.explosion.com/47460/squar...s-projections/

This game alone has caused SE to go from a projected net income loss of $13 million to a $26 million profit this fiscal year. It's done this in less than two months.

When it comes to core design, whatever Yoshi-P has planned for this game does not need to change one bit. As part of the FFXI player base, he's already made me plenty happy with this game.

It is a bit early to say that, I mean they said the same thing about SWTOR which had a very strong launch. Then, three months down the road the decline picked up. Five months in the game was no longer considered workable in the subscription model by publisher EA.

[Eekiki]

...if FFXIV was never made for people who play SquareEnix MMO's, who did SquareEnix make it for?

It was made for everyone who has ever played a Final Fantasy game. And Yoshi-P has specifically made design choices to help the game appeal to those Final Fantasy gamers who did not play FFXI.

You know why this way was smarter, rather than following the OP's suggestion and pandering to the FFXI player base?

I played FFXI for nine years. It's one of my favorite games of all time. When I saw the FFXIV reveal trailer at E3 2009 I was already sold on it. I'd be willing to bet money I'm not the only person that was like this.

It is a bit early to say that, I mean they said the same thing about SWTOR which had a very strong launch. Then, three months down the road the decline picked up. Five months in the game was no longer considered workable in the subscription model by publisher EA.

Good thing Square Enix doesn't have to answer to EA then, isn't it?

[Redemption]

It was made for everyone who has ever played a Final Fantasy game. And Yoshi-P has specifically made design choices to help the game appeal to those Final Fantasy gamers who did not play FFXI.

You know why this way was smarter, rather than following the OP's suggestion and pandering the the FFXI player base?

I played FFXI for nine years. It's one of my favorite games of all time. When I saw the FFXIV reveal trailer at E3 2009 I was already sold on it. I'd be willing to bet money I'm not the only person that was like this.

So you're saying, its ok for them to ignore a large group of players/potential players because they will buy your stuff regardless? That is a pretty disrespectful sentiment although you are likely right about it. One would hope though that SE respects and cares about its ffxi fans.

[Orsnoire]

You can find EQ1 servers that does this. The server starts as vanilla, as opposed to containing 11 expansions, and upgrades to the next expansion after a community vote. Its incredibly popular among that community, and an all around success.

Actually this isn't even remotely true. The only thing they do on those servers is gate content. The systems and core game functions are not the old ones; they have all the newer core systems in place.

Furthermore, of course it's popular among the community still playing EQ1: they're the die-hard uberfans, and each one of them shells out $300-400 per year (on the low side) on the game due to multiple accounts and buying extras from the cash shop.

[Blackheart]

So you're saying, its ok for them to ignore a large group of players/potential players because they will buy your stuff regardless? That is a pretty disrespectful sentiment although you are likely right about it. One would hope though that SE respects and cares about its ffxi fans.

i'm sure if they didn't care about their ffxi fans they would of just took down the servers altogether. I mean granted it's may not be the same XI "you" played per-say, the fact ppl are still playing it and it's still continuing means they do actually care.

[Eekiki]

So you're saying, its ok for them to ignore a large group of players/potential players because they will buy your stuff regardless? That is a pretty disrespectful sentiment although you are likely right about it. One would hope though that SE respects and cares about its ffxi fans.

So you're saying that because they didn't make this game an HD remake of FFXI they're ignoring and disrespecting everyone that played FFXI? See how ridiculous that sounds?

Why do things so often get put into one extreme or another?

They didn't ignore or disrespect FFXI players at all. Look at the races we play as. Look at the crabs, mandragoras, goblins, pugils, and more that we fight against. FFXI can be seen and heard all over this game.

[Redemption]

i'm sure if they didn't care about their ffxi fans they would of just took down the servers altogether. I mean granted it's may not be the same XI "you" played per-say, the fact ppl are still playing it and it's still continuing means they do actually care.

I played ffxi pretty much from release up until the launch of this so there is not a ffxi I have not played. I'm also would question your point as last check the game was still making money even on a skeleton dev crew. I don't think the servers are being held up on care alone if by care at all.

[Redemption]

So you're saying that because they didn't make this game an HD remake of FFXI they're ignoring and disrespecting everyone that played FFXI? See how ridiculous that sounds?

Why do things so often get put into one extreme or another?

They didn't ignore or disrespect FFXI players at all. Look at the races we play as. Look at the crabs, mandragoras, goblins, pugils, and more that we fight against. FFXI can be seen and heard all over this game.

That is not at all what I am saying, you seem to be forgetting what YOU said here. You said that basically they made the game 'catering' to non-ffxi players because ffxi players will buy anything they put out. In what way is such an idea not disrespectful? "yeah, those ffxi guys will buy w/e crap we put out"

So yeah, no its not disrespectful that its a different game.