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  1. #11
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    Sinaloa's Avatar
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    Sinaloa Dorn
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyChain View Post
    Swiftcast is useful, not mandatory, don't let your people die or look for a different group. :P
    What's on the arcanist at 36? Do you mean Eye-for an Eye at 34?
    "Barrier Effect: 20% chance that when barrier is struck, the striker will deal 10% less damage for 20 seconds"
    How's that even remotely required? Every 5th hit you'll receive 10% less damage. It's nice but not mandatory either.
    This is coming from someone who cleared turn 4 already. :P

    Full DL, yes for Coil, hardly for Garuda, maybe for Titan.
    Get your relic.
    Another wrong explaination of Eye for an Eye even with quoting the tooltip. Eye for an Eye does not have a 20% Chance to reduce the damage by 10% it has a 20% Chance to reduce all damage after triggering by that mob for 20 seconds by 10%. A Mob attacking as frequent as a Player has a chance close to 100% triggering it at least once thus reducing all damage by 10% dealt by that mob. Very good in large pulls and on aoe heavy Mobs that you cant avoid (Titan Coil...) Moderate on tank and spank. You really want to have this skill but you can manage it without. Swiftcast on the other hand... I wont miss it.
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    Last edited by Sinaloa; 11-05-2013 at 08:09 PM. Reason: 1000

  2. #12
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    Weltende's Avatar
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    Walpurgis Nacht
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    If you're having issues in WP/AK it might be due to lack of familiarity with the mechanics more than with the class itself. Keeper of Halidom(WP), Psycheflayer(AK), and Anatabooga(or however it's spelled, AK) all have moves that put a debuff on the target that lowers incoming healing significantly and ideally needs to be cleansed with Esuna before you resume healing them. Tonberry King is also an awkward fight for a fresh level 50, since it's likely the first time you're going to have to precast in order to deal with spike damage. Setting the boss as your focus target (shift + F while targeting something) will let you see when troublesome moves are coming up (in the case of Tonberry King, Everyone's Grudge), allowing you time time a Cure 2 to hit just after the damage is dealt.

    Some misc. tips off the top of my head:
    -I have both WHM and SCH at 50 and I could not imagine playing either without Swiftcast, take that as you will. Eye for an Eye is a bit more niche but it is great to have (particularly when you start speedrunning, or when you reach content where every defensive cooldown helps), get it when/if you can but understand that not having it is not the end of the world by any means.
    -It's worth pointing out that weapon damage will have the highest impact of any stat on your healing output, as it's a bit unintuitive and many players don't figure it out on their own. Always go for the weapon with higher magical damage if given the option.
    -You should never cast Medica 2 back to back. Casting Medica 2 once, and then casting Medica 1 until the regen effect is about to wear off is not only much less MP intensive but also amounts to much higher sustained area healing. I still see the occasional WHM casting Medica 2 back to back in fights like Titan HM and I have to wonder if they ever actually read their ability tooltips. This only applies to fights such as Titan HM and Coil Turn 4 where there is heavy, sustained damage being done to the entire group.

    Edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by Slark View Post
    14) Make good use of Divine seal. Also, if you regen while Divine seal is up, the regen will stay as the stronger version even after divine seal fades. So try to put a fresh regen on the tank when its getting close to expiring.
    I'm glad you brought this up, and I would like to add that you can't overwrite Regen with a weaker version of itself. In other words, if you cast Regen on someone while you have Divine Seal active, you will want to wait until that Regen wears off the target completely before refreshing it-- otherwise, it will have no effect, and you will have wasted a GCD and a small chunk of MP.
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    Last edited by Weltende; 11-05-2013 at 08:19 PM.

  3. #13
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    Marionette's Avatar
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    Alexis Valeth
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    Omega
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    One of the biggest learning curves I found when I started those dungeons was the status effect's being thrown around. Between immunity down/strong poison on keeper, all the status under the sun on the Jelly, heavy on tonberry king, Disease on Antabolga. Disease of Psyflayer, slow/paralyze on Demon wall, it felt like I was running AV all over again. A good chunk of those abilities cripples your healing so you really need to keep an eye on for status allignments in the 50 dungeons. It makes a massive difference in how well you do, and it's often hard to realize if people don't tell you (Which they often don't)
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    Last edited by Marionette; 11-05-2013 at 09:51 PM.

  4. #14
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    Githiun Smallsword
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelfox View Post
    [*]Full DL before HM Garuda or Coil.

    Helpful but not needed. I just downed Garuda twice in a row last night doing DF group and i'm not full DL. No, i wasn't be carried, I was absolutely keeping up with healing staying ahead of the game for being OOM doing good, no deaths except one dps who was an idiot and didn't hide.

    My gear was HQ Madman's weapon, AFChest, Gloves, Legs, Helm. DL Boots, Waist, Ring x1, Neck, Wrist, Earring.

    First run was so easy I decided to do it again, got my Garuda weapon on second run. Swiftcast would b awesome in the clutch moments where you need to get another healer up or BLM and you can use it to insta-rez(assuming you can do that right?)

    IMO Ifrit was WAY harder than Garuda.
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  5. #15
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    thegodthatwas's Avatar
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    Xharanar Delat
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I'm a fresh 50 whm myself, but it's my second lvl 50. I had the good fortune to get a huge chuck of the healer AK gear before even hitting 50. I also pre farmed my Garuda Weapon with my blm. Now I'm not having any issues healing through WP or AK, but Ifrit was a nightmare for me as a healer. I haven't done Garuda yet as whm.
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  6. #16
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    Darness Mage
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Just a heads up on garuda hm this a normal basic stuff but i seen many not used when the "sister" spawns ads is best to used "Shroud of Saints" just to reduce your eneminity. When they show makes the tank much easier for them to agro them.

    At at all cases when i run as a whm n see another whm not used shroud to just get the eniminity away from i think is just wasting on time for the tank that "may" have trouble taking the "sister" away from healers.
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  7. #17
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    Githiun Smallsword
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Darness View Post
    Just a heads up on garuda hm this a normal basic stuff but i seen many not used when the "sister" spawns ads is best to used "Shroud of Saints" just to reduce your eneminity. When they show makes the tank much easier for them to agro them.

    At at all cases when i run as a whm n see another whm not used shroud to just get the eniminity away from i think is just wasting on time for the tank that "may" have trouble taking the "sister" away from healers.
    Aye, my first time I almost got rocked by that. Other healer caught me before I KO'd
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  8. #18
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    Silverkin's Avatar
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    Verta Silverkin
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    Lamia
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Slark View Post
    18) Main pieces of gear are bigger upgrades than accessories (Head, Chest, Legs, Waist, Gloves, Feet) > (Earrings, Rings, Neck, etc) The main pieces are the main source of your VIT. I would probably grab as many of the main pieces as I could before switching to accessories. Don't get the tunic first, get cheap pieces like Waist/feet/hands first. Once you have a few pieces, go grind out that tunic. Also, try to get rid of anything below level 45 by buying AH whites/greens. You're better off wearing spiritbond whites and making some money than wearing crap level 27-42 stuff.
    This was very helpful, thank you!
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  9. #19
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    Aedra Laevatein
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    Masamune
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I've been wondering for a while ... since when do we need DL gear for garuda, WP, AK...

    People using forum lately have been spreading this a lot, and most of the ppl I've seen so far that have problem are ppl who leveling from FATE.

    Level 50 Trails & Dungeons are all about mechanics and strategies. Since you don't actually tell us what are your problems then we can't really help much. If it is strategy, then you can study and learn / discuss in a party.

    If it is a healing experiece then, I suggest go back and start doing from sunken temple up to lv50 dungeons.

    You can even doing Titan with 0 DL as long as you can cure ~700 hp and have enough hp to survive Earthen Fury, and 7 Tumults while medica2+medica.

    Oh, and on final note. You can do WP/AK/Ifrit/Garuda with all AF party + lv50 weapon.
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    Last edited by Aedra; 11-06-2013 at 01:20 PM.

  10. #20
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    Slark Strider
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Titan with 0 Darklight? So, you mean full Strategos set then? I can tell you that if you don't have HQ crafted, or strategos, theres no way to survive that stuff without doing completely unnecessary things. Strategos is doable for a coordinated group where some of the members are geared. For a Mor Dhona pug? No. It is not acceptable. Pugs make mistakes, they are not coordinated, and they need to overgear the encounter to make up for sloppy play. Not everyone has another 7 people who are skilled to fall back on. Also, if you have full strategos, why would you not have any darklight?
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    Last edited by Slark; 11-06-2013 at 02:31 PM.

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