Whats with the zerg / speed run mentality?

[Rennyn]

Any fresh 50s on Exodus server that wanna learn WP or Ak hit me up. I was nervous at first but had some people to help me gear up. I will do the same. If you see me on shoot me a tell.

[Maelwys]

Hmm..no it was far from significantly worse - far from it. In XI the only "general" elitism was in regards to people not doing what's expected em, i.e "Haste Set", "TP set", "WS set", "Nuke Set", "HMP Set", "Cure Set" and so on and the people who refused to have sets were the ones that ended up stating FFXI has a "horrible community". Here, it's almost no choice but to conform or never get to do anything as the OP is basically getting at.

Back in the day, many jobs were outright snubbed in FFXI. And for those that weren't, if you didn't have a full range of subjobs (RDM? No /DRK for Chainspell Stun?!?) you were frowned upon in certain situations.
Same with certain stats (capped Debuffing/Healing/Elemental Magic, for example). I DO NOT miss skillup parties in the slightest.

And Gear progression/expectation was just as bad if not worse - because instead of just running an easily-completable dungeon for tokens to swap for the exact item of gear you were lacking, you were expected to camp a NM for months for a 1% drop chance or spend millions of gil (Peacock Charm anyone?) for key components in your endgame sets. And grind a LOT longer for relic gear.

In XI, people were smart enough to realize you won't immediately have everything after you hit max level (75 for argument sake), because it will take time to get geared and to get your merits and so on so forth - People realized that. In XIV though, a lot of people seem to feel you should have a relic+1. full DL or Myth gear and capable of speed running everything instantly at 50. It's simply not possible and if people think so that means this game is pulling in no new people and it's only the same group of people playing You can say "don't join premade", yet we all know people are trolling DF and the "rejects" are all that's left because they can't join groups on their servers just because they're new.

You get idiots in both games.

We all need to start somewhere, and I'd take a sensible player in AF1 over an idiot in AF2 any day because the newbie will gear up eventually but you can't fix stupid.

Myself (Pld) and my brother (Sch) walked someone through AK last night for their first time. We had one DD slot free so Duty-findered it.
We beat every boss without any problems, including the Wall (for those keeping score, that's with one "undergeared newbie" DD, and one "DF reject" DD)

The new DD stayed on with me and we were joined by two other FC members (no names, but their gear was perfectly fine! ) for a second AK run immediately afterwards. We wiped 8 times straight at the Wall, and 3 times on the Final Boss because for some reason dodging stuff was suddenly impossible. There was a bit of teasing and a lot of self-recrimination by the end of the run, but suffice to say that Lack of Lag and a Clear Head play a much bigger role in this game than being obscenely well geared!

My third and final run of the night was a "join the Duty Finder, tick the in-progress box" where I came across a group whose Tank had just ragequitted on the Demon Wall. We took a single test run at it to see if we needed to kill the bees first, or had enough DPS to kill the wall (during which the Healer ragequitted and was immediately replaced) and then just ignored the bees and SLAUGHTERED the wall, the trash mobs and the next boss without a single death or derp moment.

I hate /shout PUGs with a passion, but I wish there was a cross-server friendslist for some of the absolute gems of players that I've come across in random DF parties.

I'm not saying "don't join premades", I'm saying "don't join premades populated entirely by elitist asshats" (and "don't bite your FC teammates heads off when they have a Derp day"!)

[FF2GO]

You're gonna have mixed responses to this post. Unfortunately it's the backwards mentality people have in MMORPG's. They seem to put the cart in front of the horse if you know what I am sayin. People also are less likely to help these days than they were back in the pre-WOW days of MMORPG's. Nowadays it is all about getting gear as fast as you can only to complain about the the lack of content. Ironic isn't it? What I have decided now when I enter a WP or AK run is just ask if it is meant to be a speed run, if they say yes, I either let them know I am not relic geared or leave the group and find a diff one. This of course, if I use the DF. If I am getting a group together I typically ask before entering the group if it is a speed run or not. People seem to think you HAVE to have relic for speed run, and that is not true. I am not relic and I do WP runs in 20-25 mins every day. Then again, what is fast to one is not fast to another so it is subjective as are a lot of things in MMORPG's.

[Noni]

I got kicked by two groups today for "being new" and not "geared for speed runs" even though they didn't even ask for a "speed run".

One of them purposely wiped, blamed me, and then said "sry bro, but I need to do speed runs", another group kicked me immediately saying "that's the lowest HP I've ever seen, leave" and "yeah go. we don't want you" in addition to name-calling and swearing. Oh and apparently all newly leveled 50s must be automatically "geared for speed runs" because it isn't like skill isn't what is looked at first. I've seen worse level 50s than people at Brayflox.

How the hell does a newly leveled 50 get in to WP or AK since apparently they all must be already geared for speed runs?

Speed run this. Speed run that. Zerg this. Zerg that.

What's the hurry? This community is garbage. XI wasn't like this. WoW was at least manageable.

I am on your server and we are always looking for good WHM send me a tell in game.

[waldo]

Answer: you can run AK and WP only so many times before it turns to major boring shit.
300 myth = 10 WP runs. Do it in 45 minute blocks (grand total of 7.5 hours of major boring shit) or 15 minute blocks (grand total of 2.5 hours of major boring shit).
Now granted, sometimes you can tag along with a friend for more 'fun' because of the friend, not the content though.

I personally do speed runs to beat my old best times. It's no great feat to kill tonberry king, but clear it in under 15 minutes makes it 'fun' to me where it otherwise wasn't.

[whilke]

I find a lot of the elitism in this game to be silly, but I never played XI. All I know is that when people tell me that a Relic is required for a healer to have in order to complete a speed run (because, and I quote, "you have to minimalize your healing"), I have to laugh. Because it's so not true. :-\ I mean, unless "Speed Runs" constitute something more than "just never stop pulling unless I scream like a girl, mr. tank." Because, I mean, that's the only way I run WP.

And it's real easy to teach a tank, too. Might take a few more minutes the first time, but afterwards it's like cake.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what a WP speed run entails, because yes it does constitute something more than "just never stop pulling unless I scream like a girl, mr. tank.".

You need a relic/+1 on a whm just so you can stay above the burst damage coming out. You'll probably have to pop your CDs every fight as well. Then on top of that, you want to be able to handle that so well that you can dance into cleric and holy and get the run done even faster.

[waldo]

Speed runs wont stop until there's another way to get tomes fast. If Garuda dropped 25 myth and 50 philo, then you'd likely not have to worry about kicked out of these pugs... But then it'd be you getting kicked out of Garuda speed kills lol, it'll never stop.

[Pseudopsia]

If you join a group that didn't specify that they are doing a speed run then kick you later then just be glad you wasted their time since it's their problem.

Personally, I don't do speed runs because I feel I don't need to have everything now and I plan to play the game for a very long time. I really just focus on getting my myth tomes per week, coil and doing extra WP/AK runs to help out FC members.

Currently I have two jobs nearly in full DL gear and starting to fill out my PLD in coil and myth gear.

I avoid speed runners since they seem like unhappy people that rage easily when things don't go their way.

[Teroril]

There were no "speed runs" in wow... :/

You never did HC runs with me in BC, then. <_<

[foobarbaz]

There were no "speed runs" in wow... :/

there were speedruns in early vanilla when scholomance and that one other dungeon were the only endgame content. scholomance took like 2 hours to do and you could speed run it in about 40.