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    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Personally, I prefer WHM over SCH in a 4-man DF/PUG group; DF'ed with too many bad SCH leveling LNC, so I'm a bit biased It also seems that WHM is a little more forgiving on bad players than SCH is, kinda like how PAL is over WAR from my time leveling WHM.

    In an 8-man DF/PUG group, I like one of each. The synchronization between two is great. Titan especially is nice to have both (or, in 3-heal setups, 2 WHM, 1 SCH thanks to the SCH buff not stacking...that really needs to be changed IMO. Haven't done any Coil yet; no groups so far).

    Now, that's not to say I will not group with SCH, or think all SCH are bad solo. I know some SCH who are just amazing at their job, and love to run dungeons with them. But that's not DF/PUG...which is the main problem I see. An unknown SCH, from my experience, is more likely to be a sub-par healer than an unknown WHM.
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    I leveled WHM first then SCH. SCH has been more fun to play, imo. There are still some QoL issues for scholars.. but I am pretty confident that as the classes scale upwards, SCH is going to become a beast.
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    Yuri Shineko
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    I love my SCH brethren. Honestly you make my life easy in certain runs, well all runs. I get to focus my big heals on one or two players and the fairy heals the party/raid. I love your bubble, its amazing. Yes maybe you cant pop a huge heal onto that dying tank, but who cares? You are the Yin to my Yang, the black to my white. I love scholars! Haters are gonna hate no matter what. Screw em.
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    Last edited by Yurikitty; 11-08-2013 at 04:36 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Zara Diaspora
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    I love my scholar...I wouldn't hurt my fairy friend by saying such mean things..after all..she knows where I live...
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    Aylaine Gray
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythian View Post
    WHM can solo heal Titan as well. It all boils down to if the healer can stay out of the fire or not. SCH have shields and regens with their heals but their heals aren't as hard hitting either. They get the benefit of more aoe heals with the disadvantage of less healing potency. WHM gets more direct healing potential with higher healing potency but less aoe and no shields on heals. SCH is the party healer and WHM is the tank healer and burst healer. Each have their roles and both do them well. There is a reason that coil groups want one of each in every run they do.
    What? Last I checked, WHM destroys SCH at AoE healing. Nothing compares to Medica II.

    I only have a gripe with people who think SCH is hard to play, or harder to play then WHM. My friend let me try his SCH a few times. It's idiot proof, and most shortfalls that a normal healing roll would need to endure are thrown out the window. It's a far easier healing class to play. The class does have it's difficulties, but they aren't anywhere near watching hate or MP (or choosing between the two) on a WHM in a hectic situation in my opinion. I won't play a SCH for that reason though, it's just way too easy.
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    Last edited by Arale; 11-10-2013 at 07:03 PM.

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    Honestly I have not heard much complaining about SCH, and heck, on Gilgamesh they seem to outnumber white mages now. Go into any town and you'll just be swarmed by fairies and the sound of books being opened and closed.

    My boyfriend currently plays a SCH and it's quite useful in dungeons, he can DPS while healing a million times better than me while I can maybe throw Aero on something before having to go back to healing the tank. Then again, I haven't reached end-game content yet because I'm pacing myself. (I don't want to burn out a subscription-based MMO in the first month or two and then end up not playing it after.)

    Whenever he's healing me when I'm leveling my DPS so I can get swiftcast I just silently curse while looking at his screen, watching him browse the 'net because his summon does all the work. >:T Lucky.
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    Last edited by Denji; 11-10-2013 at 09:26 PM.

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    Karina Moonshadow
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I really like having a SCH with me. WHM+SCH is a scary combo and bosses should fear for their well being when both healers are working well together. WHM+WHM has cool utilities like double Regen, double Medica 2 and double Benediction, but a SCH's Adloquium + Medica 2 is an insane AoE combo heal.

    If you play a SCH like WHM, you'll think the class suck, but in fact you are bad and at fault.
    Same thing apply for playing a WHM like a SCH.

    WHM = reactive healer
    SCH = preventive healer

    If you remember the 2 lines above, you'll have no problem healing.
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    Last edited by TimeZero; 11-11-2013 at 11:01 PM.

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    Arrogant WHMS?

    Personally love landing in groups with a SCH at my side when I'm on main heals on WHM. I think a lot of the frustration I've seen in PuGs is due to the large influx of new level 50 WHM/SCH that have literally only used Fate Grinding techniques to level the class. That's not to say that you can't be a great WHM/SCH if you have used Fate Grinding as your sole means to 50, its just that lower level PuGs and consistent dungeon runs really teach you how to play your class. Regen and Medica are not replacements for skill swapping and learning to effectively use Shroud, Presence, Benediction etc.

    TBH I've seen a lot more complaints from nub tanks (who also largely used Fate Grind to 50) who claim that healers don't know what they are doing. I'm happy to spend any amount of time (and party wipes) working with new 50's so that they can learn the dungeon, over the arrogant 50's that think they know your class better than you do.

    It's all about the skill of the player
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepdmind View Post
    That's not to say that you can't be a great WHM/SCH if you have used Fate Grinding as your sole means to 50, its just that lower level PuGs and consistent dungeon runs really teach you how to play your class.
    This basically. Doing lower level dungeon while leveling is the way best way to learn the class because the skills/spells used are added gradually as you level. You can't expect to be using all your spells properly at level 50 if you haven't practice a bit before. That point is valid for any class/job. I started to level Marauder to be able to tank and I finished Sastasha yesterday. It was a good experience even though I'm a veteran tank from WoW (tanking was my life in WoW), but a different game means different mechanics or at least subtle differences. I can't play as if I was in WoW since this isn't WoW, but not everyone understand that.
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