Need for Non-Hardcore Content

[amnie]

same complains, different game. over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

(don't get me wrong, I do like that some people complain because it keeps the devs on their toes, but I don't understand the individual complainers a lot of the time :P)

[Dliver]

same complains, different game. over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

(don't get me wrong, I do like that some people complain because it keeps the devs on their toes, but I don't understand the individual complainers a lot of the time :P)

But it still amazes me that in this day and age an MMO could launch without PvP or a casual end-game for this length of time. I know WoW didn't immediately launch with PvP... 9 years ago, but that was 9 years ago.

It's kind of astounding. Or that they think this endless grind end-game is a substitute for actual raids.

[amnie]

But it still amazes me that in this day and age an MMO could launch without PvP or a casual end-game for this length of time. I know WoW didn't immediately launch with PvP... 9 years ago, but that was 9 years ago.

It's kind of astounding. Or that they think this endless grind end-game is a substitute for actual raids.

even single player games don't release finished these days and often you have to pay extra to get an actually 'worthwhile' game (and in other cases the DLC is 10€ and gives you 20 minutes actual playtime. I'm looking at you, Fable III)

the good old 'in this day and age' argument is frankly even more annoying than the general 'oh boohoo there's nothing to do' whining that really just means 'there's nothing to do I like. developers need to cater to my specific needs because I'm more important'

ps: I can't wait for people to be disappointed by TESO, then glorifying Wildstar like there's no tomorrow, eventually putting all their hope into EQN and then move on to the next big thing.
(is ArchAge still going on? I feel another Spellborn coming... I miss Spellborn :/)

[allluckys]

Why don't you just do coil what are you guys scared of?

[Dliver]

Why don't you just do coil what are you guys scared of?

Lag. Pre-mades only. And it's the equivalent of a hard-mode raid.

Even WoW has recognized the predominance of casual raids with LFR and Flex. Square copied a lot from WoW and they should copy the more recent innovations too.

As for PvP, I think it's self-evident how cost-efficient PvP content is. Design a map and voila, endless content vs constant effort for new PvE grind.

[DivineAyumi]

Lag. Pre-mades only. And it's the equivalent of a hard-mode raid.

Even WoW has recognized the predominance of casual raids with LFR and Flex. Square copied a lot from WoW and they should copy the more recent innovations too.

As for PvP, I think it's self-evident how cost-efficient PvP content is. Design a map and voila, endless content vs constant effort for new PvE grind.

LMAO. Do you have any idea how hard it is to develop a balanced PVP system? - not to mention a FUN PVP system...

[Dliver]

LMAO. Do you have any idea how hard it is to develop a balanced PVP system? - not to mention a FUN PVP system...

It's less hard than constantly developing new raids or dungeons, for sure.

If PvP is what kills this game, it'll be a first in PvE centric game history. If you honestly came to FF14 for PvP then you're in the wrong game. If you knew anything about the game prior to your arrival you'd have known it wasn't a focus to get out first but in 2.1.

Or fine, even if you hate PvP, then there still needs to be a broader PvE end game, along the lines of Flex raids.

[allluckys]

Guys are pugging 1-4 on my server 4 and 5 being the ones that a static would be needed but even then given enough time people will be pugging turn 5

[zdub303]

Lag. Pre-mades only. And it's the equivalent of a hard-mode raid.

All this sounds like is complaints that you have to put just a little bit of effort into something... Seriously, coil turns 1 and 2 aren't that hard, every week I've done coil we've pugged a few peeps, it's really not that bad of a dungeon, at all.

[MieyCyruuuus]

Coil is normal mode
I'm waiting on my hardmodes