Issues with Coil: Statics v. The Rest of Us

[firepixiedarien]

I agree wit the OP wholeheartedly.

And yes, I already have a Coil static^-^

All you Elitist prudes do not have any say at all in which friends and FC-mates I can or cannot help, so would you kindly get the hell out of this thread.

OHHHH, that's right. I can't tell you to get out of this thread, much like how you can't tell me I can't help a friend outside of my Coil static.

[Elendil_Voronda]

One Monk can silence the whole of Turn 2.

LOL i forgot about the monk silence, well my example stands, just replace monk for another dragoon, or blm and its fixed

[whilke]

This kind of thinking has been around ever since Ultima Online/Everquest. I can remember being jealous I didn't have that Executioner's Axe when I saw someone carrying it around in the East Commons tunnel entrance (think I got that right lol).

Meet you at torch 2

[Argent_Wings]

Everyone says BC is for "experienced" people yet no one raises the question of how people are supposed to experience anything they can't participate in. Unlike reality, there are no colleges or internships for "end game" that allow people to get their feet wet and work their way up to the level of competency that so many of you would demand of your members.

Add BC to the DF, let the people who want to pug it, pug it. Unlike that asinine debate about selling Titan runs, this really DOESN'T affect the people who are already farming it in their exclusive, champagne room-esque groups.

What you're really concerned about is that the milk and honey of bragging rights that comes with being on Turn 4 or 5 wouldn't be quite as sweet if a pug managed to accomplish the same thing. But since we obviously don't believe such levels of group cohesion are possible, why oppose it?

[Kyp]

I see a lot of talk on static 8 man groups breaking up friends and breaking up FCs. You'll see a lot of that go away when the FC housing patch comes out and ppl realize the benefit of being in larger FCs. Airships later on too.

It is much easier and sensible to put all your friends together in on large FC, and have coil groups which is a group made for a very specific function in a linkshell of just those 8 for communicating raid times

It seems counterintuitive to a lot of folks but the fact that you can have 8 LS and that LS
Popcap is lower makes this the more practical

[Seig345]

While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, this, along with the Titan HM run selling debate, feel like issues with foundations that might change once gear check is implemented, and I coulda sworn it was mentioned somewhere that they're going to make it easier for the whole LFG-flag system to form pugs from within your own server (so no shouting would be required).

The addition of gear check would mitigate the issue of fresh level 50's in ilvl 45-50 gear trying to waltz into BC before they have the gear necessary to even gauge their 'skill' on the content, where as the ability to form in-server pugs without having to try to dive into the shout spam in Mor D'hona might make it easier for a larger demographic of players to get in on that without necessarily needing DF access. I'm not saying I expect either of these to completely solve the issue, but I'd wager they'd definitely make a big change, so I'm developing a 'wait and see' mentality towards both these issues atm.

(I know gearcheck doesn't mean they're adding BC to the DF, but if it helps the current DF content's success rate, it would make advocating for BC on the DF ballot a touch more reasonable)

[Suhzu]

I think we're at this phase in discussion because there's no alternative end game available on the level of Coil.
I believe there should be some content in which only organized groups can enter, gives the best loot in the game and can't be accessed using DF. But at the same time, there should be content similar to it, with loot inferior to Coil and can be pugged.
This is why I'm wondering how CT will work out. I hope SE can make it work, since this is exactly what people need.

[GilbertLapine]

This kind of thinking has been around ever since Ultima Online/Everquest. I can remember being jealous I didn't have that Executioner's Axe when I saw someone carrying it around in the East Commons tunnel entrance (think I got that right lol).

MMOs are all about the haves and have nots. You should have to work for something to get it. Get into an FC. Prove yourself worthy to go on runs with that crew. Or create your own and work your way through it.

I dont think DF will ever work because the strats are more strenuous than Titan HM at times.

Everyone SHOULD have the opportunity to get all gear. However it shouldn't be handed to you. Get out there and do what you have to do in an MMO, be SOCIAL!

You miss the point. As I've said before, having to "work" for the gear is fine, but it's a game, not the DMV. Before duty-finder-like functionalities were put in games, the hours of LFP shout were understandable and unavoidable -- the infrastructure to fix it simply didn't exist. But there's no excuse for it now.

Also, the lockout system itself, in its current iteration, is antisocial -- as it stands you see your static and run w/ them, and no one else. That's not exactly "massively" multiplayer.

While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, this, along with the Titan HM run selling debate, feel like issues with foundations that might change once gear check is implemented, and I coulda sworn it was mentioned somewhere that they're going to make it easier for the whole LFG-flag system to form pugs from within your own server (so no shouting would be required).

The addition of gear check would mitigate the issue of fresh level 50's in ilvl 45-50 gear trying to waltz into BC before they have the gear necessary to even gauge their 'skill' on the content, where as the ability to form in-server pugs without having to try to dive into the shout spam in Mor D'hona might make it easier for a larger demographic of players to get in on that without necessarily needing DF access. I'm not saying I expect either of these to completely solve the issue, but I'd wager they'd definitely make a big change, so I'm developing a 'wait and see' mentality towards both these issues atm.

(I know gearcheck doesn't mean they're adding BC to the DF, but if it helps the current DF content's success rate, it would make advocating for BC on the DF ballot a touch more reasonable)

I agree with a lot of this, and while gear check would prevent the 'fresh 50' problem, I don't think it'd be an issue anyway since (I think?) you need to clear Titan before you even get the quest for BC.

[Seidaku]

This kind of thinking has been around ever since Ultima Online/Everquest. I can remember being jealous I didn't have that Executioner's Axe when I saw someone carrying it around in the East Commons tunnel entrance (think I got that right lol).

MMOs are all about the haves and have nots. You should have to work for something to get it. Get into an FC. Prove yourself worthy to go on runs with that crew. Or create your own and work your way through it.

I dont think DF will ever work because the strats are more strenuous than Titan HM at times.

Everyone SHOULD have the opportunity to get all gear. However it shouldn't be handed to you. Get out there and do what you have to do in an MMO, be SOCIAL!

LOL, need to get the overpowered item "manastone" pre nerf mask before they nerf/remove it. Oh, they already did one with the Gobue mount. :P

[Tribunus]

I think we're at this phase in discussion because there's no alternative end game available on the level of Coil.
I believe there should be some content in which only organized groups can enter, gives the best loot in the game and can't be accessed using DF. But at the same time, there should be content similar to it, with loot inferior to Coil and can be pugged.
This is why I'm wondering how CT will work out. I hope SE can make it work, since this is exactly what people need.

If there is content similar to it on the DF it shouldnt be rewarding gear that is any less inferior.