Issues with Coil: Statics v. The Rest of Us

[Macho]

I like your ideas, except I'd like to add one more thing. When you DF coil it should only group you with people on your server. I think that would be a good idea in that if you're looking for members to create a static DF will actually help you achieve that goal.

[GilbertLapine]

I like your ideas, except I'd like to add one more thing. When you DF coil it should only group you with people on your server. I think that would be a good idea in that if you're looking for members to create a static DF will actually help you achieve that goal.

I think an option for "server only" is a great idea, and should be implemented across the board, not just in coil. However, I am vehemently against making it required.

Until ARR does widen the content players like the OP will continue to feel stonewalled

I get what you're saying, but I really don't have a problem with the breadth of content yet -- I usually have things to do. My issue is with content needlessly being restricted. Let the difficultly (and gear req) restrict access, don't just arbitrarily lock people out because it seemed the thing to do.

[firepixiedarien]

I agree wit the OP wholeheartedly.

And yes, I already have a Coil static^-^

All you Elitist prudes do not have any say at all in which friends and FC-mates I can or cannot help, so would you kindly get the hell out of this thread.

OHHHH, that's right. I can't tell you to get out of this thread, much like how you can't tell me I can't help a friend outside of my Coil static.

[Kyp]

I see a lot of talk on static 8 man groups breaking up friends and breaking up FCs. You'll see a lot of that go away when the FC housing patch comes out and ppl realize the benefit of being in larger FCs. Airships later on too.

It is much easier and sensible to put all your friends together in on large FC, and have coil groups which is a group made for a very specific function in a linkshell of just those 8 for communicating raid times

It seems counterintuitive to a lot of folks but the fact that you can have 8 LS and that LS
Popcap is lower makes this the more practical

[Seig345]

While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, this, along with the Titan HM run selling debate, feel like issues with foundations that might change once gear check is implemented, and I coulda sworn it was mentioned somewhere that they're going to make it easier for the whole LFG-flag system to form pugs from within your own server (so no shouting would be required).

The addition of gear check would mitigate the issue of fresh level 50's in ilvl 45-50 gear trying to waltz into BC before they have the gear necessary to even gauge their 'skill' on the content, where as the ability to form in-server pugs without having to try to dive into the shout spam in Mor D'hona might make it easier for a larger demographic of players to get in on that without necessarily needing DF access. I'm not saying I expect either of these to completely solve the issue, but I'd wager they'd definitely make a big change, so I'm developing a 'wait and see' mentality towards both these issues atm.

(I know gearcheck doesn't mean they're adding BC to the DF, but if it helps the current DF content's success rate, it would make advocating for BC on the DF ballot a touch more reasonable)

[Suhzu]

I think we're at this phase in discussion because there's no alternative end game available on the level of Coil.
I believe there should be some content in which only organized groups can enter, gives the best loot in the game and can't be accessed using DF. But at the same time, there should be content similar to it, with loot inferior to Coil and can be pugged.
This is why I'm wondering how CT will work out. I hope SE can make it work, since this is exactly what people need.

[Tribunus]

I think we're at this phase in discussion because there's no alternative end game available on the level of Coil.
I believe there should be some content in which only organized groups can enter, gives the best loot in the game and can't be accessed using DF. But at the same time, there should be content similar to it, with loot inferior to Coil and can be pugged.
This is why I'm wondering how CT will work out. I hope SE can make it work, since this is exactly what people need.

If there is content similar to it on the DF it shouldnt be rewarding gear that is any less inferior.

[Dano]

instead of ditching your friends why dont you help them get ready for coil faster, or invite other likeminded people into your FC? If your friends aren't serious enough to do coil then isn't it better for you to find someone or group that has the same goals? Good FCs or groups almost always come from people doing the same hard content long enough and are compatible with each other. Back in 1.0 when completing relic required tons of work and effort, people started to form static groups during the hamlet phase and alot of them stayed together till today.

I left my long time LS since 1.0 because their goals weren't in line with mine so I end up with another FC and I'm happy with it because we have like.. 7 groups of coil static across all timezones (JST, PST, EST, GMT), we would get things done on tuesday and have the rest of the week chill or help others/alts.

It's also a form of socializing since you aren't constraint by your own group, you seek out others that can do stuff with you and have fun.

[Xellos2099]

instead of ditching your friends why dont you help them get ready for coil faster, or invite other likeminded people into your FC? If your friends aren't serious enough to do coil then isn't it better for you to find someone or group that has the same goals? Good FCs or groups almost always come from people doing the same hard content long enough and are compatible with each other. Back in 1.0 when completing relic required tons of work and effort, people started to form static groups during the hamlet phase and alot of them stayed together till today.

It's also a form of socializing since you aren't constraint by your own group, you seek out others that can do stuff with you and have fun.

This doesn't really solve the issue of anything outside of multiple of 8 got left out. Recruit too many and people got left out, get too little and you do nto have enough.

[Pinworms]

Did you really edit your post to insert all your comments to the people that you disagree with? That must have took some time. I dunno I have mixed feelings about reading the op then reading everyone's comments only to find out I already read them in the op. Takes the fun out of trolling - I mean reading the forums.