I use the DF a lot, my fav is my warrior but I also enjoy other classes and play them frequently so I see a lot of groups and they are almost always bad because as fearfactoryman said, people don't care or have no understanding not only of their own class and role but also don't care for the group (mechanic). I also see lv 50s in lower level dungeons with white gear pieces playing "key" roles such as tank or healer and then really have NO clue what they're doing, none, absolutely none and that puzzles me. I mean to each their own, I wouldn't want to force ppl to play dungeons if they don't want to but that people pick a class and don't care about its function or skills AT ALL, that I don't get. Why are they logging in, why are they queuing? It can't be fun for a player to run around like an idiot after a group of mobs because he hasn't detected the use of flash, provoke, overpower, shield lob or tomahawk yet, or that enmity increasing skills work best in a combo. Had this lv 40+ something tank in Braiflox and I'm not kidding, he used only ONE skill and that was Rage of Halone. He didn't even use it in combo or cycle through the mobs with it nope, only rage of halone and nothing else on one mob at a time, like a bot. SE could have just given every class 1 skill, there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't notice, because that PLD with his Rage of Halone was extreme, but I've seen other tanks or dds only use 2...3 skills at most where I wonder what people get out of "PLAYING" like this, how it can be fun for them. The only answer I can come up with is that - strangely - these kind of people obviously do not want to engage with people in an MMO, they're playing the game because it's new and it's out there but it could also be a single player game for them apparently and once in a while they need to team up to complete a story line quest that they are probably not even reading. MMOs have changed A LOT and I didn't even notice