Endgame Content To Easy

[jumpstreet]

The thread name should have a name change to Endgame content is appropriate where it is at. Anyways this is in regards to: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-me-out%29%21
I want people to stop for a moment and think about endgame content and it's difficulty. Why do we play MMO's? What kind of thinking made these games so popular? People striving to solve an insanely difficult puzzle? Hard workers who wanted to do something that felt so incredible they jumped up and cheered? These are the kinds of things that make me consider playing a game. I simply do not understand people who want things handed to them. Do you know what your asking for? Your asking for everything to be so simple that, if you played WoW and can relate to this, loot is just handed to you from a box on an island and requires no thinking, trying, or motivation whatsoever. This kind of player should not be welcome in our FFXIV: ARR community. People need to work extremely hard to get down the current content and when they do, well let's just give an example. http://www.twitch.tv/itstort/c/3050629 Fast forward or watch the whole thing if you like. But do you see my point? We worked on that fight forever. When we got it down, well just listen to the end we cheer and are super excited. That makes the loot so worth all your hard work. And gives a sense of satisfaction you cannot believe. People may argue that it's a video game we just want to put in a few hours and have all our stuff. Mechanics are too difficult. We don't have the time to put in to get these things. Well here is my reply to that. Are you that selfish that you'd ruin the game for all the people that work hard for those things? I'm going to start calling this the WoW disease. We need a cure, FFXIV is it. Please everyone we need to stick to this and work hard for the things we want. If you agree the content is at the appropriate difficulty please like and say something. Give me your thoughts. I want casual players to understand this way of thinking so they don't complain and actually embrace it!

[BlackShroudMercs]

You know what? You're right..

I feel like I should get one shotted in a dungeon every 2 minutes, if I don't have a huge repair bill at the end its just boring. Also I feel like we should ditch healers as they heal and that keeps you alive and makes things far too easy, also when you die you should lose 3 lvls and all your gear.

Why can't I kill party members with my aoes? I think friendly fire would add another beautiful level of difficulty. Also make it so every add drops no loot and double the amount of them, I wanna spend 6 hours in every dungeon..

[jumpstreet]

Let's keep it serious. Less troll.

[Akirakogami]

You know what? You're right..

I feel like I should get one shotted in a dungeon every 2 minutes, if I don't have a huge repair bill at the end its just boring. Also I feel like we should ditch healers as they heal and that keeps you alive and makes things far too easy, also when you die you should lose 3 lvls and all your gear.

Why can't I kill party members with my aoes? I think friendly fire would add another beautiful level of difficulty. Also make it so every add drops no loot and double the amount of them, I wanna spend 6 hours in every dungeon..

Yeah! better yet lets put the dungeon mobs in the cities so you are never safe.

I expect to die non stop. that is the only way i can have fun.

[Pibz]

Yeah! better yet lets put the dungeon mobs in the cities so you are never safe.

I expect to die non stop. that is the only way i can have fun.

I think some of you are getting this wrong.

Anyone who says they want to keep some challenge in the game are not saying that the whole game should be some insane difficult mind-breaking experience.

There are people who'd like the game to be hard from start to finish, yes, but those mmo days are long gone and it's been shown that it's not the most profitable model.

What makes people worry is that some ask for EVERY single piece of content to be mind-numbingly easy, that's the point the op is making ,if you actually read everything, and i agree.

As i said before, we're not asking for the game to be hard in all its content, but let us have our 1% challenging bit, why must everything cater to you and your pop segment alone? Are some of you really that selfish?

[Hayward]

I think some of you are getting this wrong.

Anyone who says they want to keep some challenge in the game are not saying that the whole game should be some insane difficult mind-breaking experience.

There are people who'd like the game to be hard from start to finish, yes, but those mmo days are long gone and it's been shown that it's not the most profitable model.

What makes people worry is that some ask for EVERY single piece of content to be mind-numbingly easy, that's the point the op is making ,if you actually read everything, and i agree.

As i said before, we're not asking for the game to be hard in all its content, but let us have our 1% challenging bit, why must everything cater to you and your pop segment alone? Are some of you really that selfish?

Take a look at some of the posts in this thread and you'll see why we can't trust these one percenters.

Give these people an inch and they'll want the whole field, endzone to endzone. These folks want an MMO that requires you to take days off from work and to sacrifice your time with family and friends. These are the people who want every monster from level 1 on to be capable of one-hitting us unless we're geared to the teeth. They are the one who want gear to be nearly impossible to acquire without being in the most exclusive cliques.

Professional endgamers are nothing if not self-absorbed meatballs who feel their whims are to be catered to 24/7.

[Pibz]

Take a look at some of the posts in this thread and you'll see why we can't trust these one percenters.

Give these people an inch and they'll want the whole field, endzone to endzone. These folks want an MMO that requires you to take days off from work and to sacrifice your time with family and friends. These are the people who want every monster from level 1 on to be capable of one-hitting us unless we're geared to the teeth. They are the one who want gear to be nearly impossible to acquire without being in the most exclusive cliques.

Professional endgamers are nothing if not self-absorbed meatballs who feel their whims are to be catered to 24/7.

Please don't post like this, no one in this thread as said anything like that(i actually went and read it all -.-). Sure some are complaining that the RAID is too easy, and they might have a point there(why do the rest care since they are "casual" and don't do raids?! oO). No one is talking about the leveling process.
The vast majority is just saying that they don't want the raids/endgame to be further dumbed down.

[MirariMirai]

Take a look at some of the posts in this thread and you'll see why we can't trust these one percenters.

Give these people an inch and they'll want the whole field, endzone to endzone. These folks want an MMO that requires you to take days off from work and to sacrifice your time with family and friends. These are the people who want every monster from level 1 on to be capable of one-hitting us unless we're geared to the teeth. They are the one who want gear to be nearly impossible to acquire without being in the most exclusive cliques.

Professional endgamers are nothing if not self-absorbed meatballs who feel their whims are to be catered to 24/7.

U sound cut and rude.

And... u sound like the 1% of the other end of the bandwidth...

[Sybreed]

Take a look at some of the posts in this thread and you'll see why we can't trust these one percenters.

Give these people an inch and they'll want the whole field, endzone to endzone. These folks want an MMO that requires you to take days off from work and to sacrifice your time with family and friends. These are the people who want every monster from level 1 on to be capable of one-hitting us unless we're geared to the teeth. They are the one who want gear to be nearly impossible to acquire without being in the most exclusive cliques.

Professional endgamers are nothing if not self-absorbed meatballs who feel their whims are to be catered to 24/7.

This has got to be the biggest load of hyperbole riddled exaggeration I have ever read. Grats, I guess?

[xxalucard]

Take a look at some of the posts in this thread and you'll see why we can't trust these one percenters.

Give these people an inch and they'll want the whole field, endzone to endzone. These folks want an MMO that requires you to take days off from work and to sacrifice your time with family and friends. These are the people who want every monster from level 1 on to be capable of one-hitting us unless we're geared to the teeth. They are the one who want gear to be nearly impossible to acquire without being in the most exclusive cliques.

Professional endgamers are nothing if not self-absorbed meatballs who feel their whims are to be catered to 24/7.

Hey man, I'm actually in <one percent> the FC and that statement is totally not how I think


MY opinion on "hard" content-->


- Having to be geared to the teeth to beat something has nothing to do with difficulty, it's just an annoying pre-requisite. I agree with you here man. It would be nice if there was some way a boss fight could adjust things based on your gear-- so that no matter what you were wearing it would take the same estimated amount of hits to get killed by the boss. This would be cool assuming there wasn't a way to exploit it by wearing lower gear. Better gear could still allow you to kill it faster, etc, maybe some adjustment for tanks, but you get the idea.

- Time sinks also have nothing to do with difficulty. I think SE did a good job with this by keeping even the hardest fight in the game limited to 13 minutes at max. If you're referring to the time sink required to farm gear-- then just like the first point, I agree. It's not something I want either. Gear based on pure luck is also something I do not like and does not determine skill. It would be better if there was some kind of token system at least so that the 3rd time I see the same ring drop from turn 1 it doesn't get thrown to the floor or passed to the dragoon who will never level a mage class.

- If a fight itself takes time to learn, then that's different. People learn at different paces. Some can adjust and beat something a lot faster than others, and I think a difficult fight should take time for people to beat. That doesn't mean you have to be dramatic and sacrifice time with your family and friends. Most raid groups don't enjoy doing that either. For that reason my own group organized a simple schedule about when we could all play and practice, and we communicate if something comes up. There's no need for anyone to be on 24/7 or an excessive amount of hours if it gets in the way of other things.

It's like learning guitar or something...if you only invest a little bit of time, how can you expect to be good at it? The guitar isn't a hardcore nerd demanding that you invest time playing it. Something hard will [probably] take time for a team to learn, and should. It adds to that feeling of awesomeness when you finally overcome it... the challenge that at first seemed so impossible. A "casual" guitar player won't be able to play Raining Blood without investing a lot of time in it. If they could then Jeff Hanneman would probably feel bad.

I know I speak for myself. But I don't want everything catered to my whims man. The whole game doesn't have to be hard, if/when the coil turns are nerfed it'll kind of take the fun out of it. It's nice that if you see someone with an allagan weapon, you can assume they are a skilled player (or their group is so good they could somehow super carry them through turn 5). It feels like a measure of skill and an accomplishment to beat turn 5, even though it's just a videogame. I really hope they never nerf it-- there's honestly no reason to. IMO they shouldn't have even nerfed the twisters on it.