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    remember: you aren't doing wp super pulls till your gear starts equal coil running gears and till that point typical 3 mob pull is pulls you are trying to keep at max pulls, and there flash for initial halone for hold is way to go. AND NO flash spamm WILL NOT hold it if your dps knows what they are doing, only thing flash spamm holds is heal and sole aoe ...but let dps do single target hits and see how mobs run
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    Untrue.

    Flash spam will hold groups of 3 even if you have a zealous single target dps.

    Just mark a target so you're auto attacking the same mob as your dps, and your flash spam and spirits and auto attack will hold just perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zakalw3 View Post
    Flash spam will hold groups of 3 even if you have a zealous single target dps.
    This is so dependent on outside variables its not even funny.

    I would weigh in to say that if your DPS is comparably equipped to you, and reasonably skilled, this will not work about 80% of the time. In addition, if you flash spam and use RB to keep your MP up to the point where you can keep spamming, you're going to have to either have a Bard, or wait between pulls for your MP. Its kind of silly to do it this way because its so resource inefficient. You are also robbing your party of the damage that you could be doing with combos.

    If you are +1'ed (which I see that you are) and have DPS in the group thats Garuda or worse, Flash spamming can probably hold single target aggro, if you have a MNK or DRG with relic or relic +1, I'd love to see a video of them doing proper rotations, and you holding single target enmity over them with flash spamming : D. I'd be impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zakalw3 View Post
    Untrue.

    Flash spam will hold groups of 3 even if you have a zealous single target dps.

    Just mark a target so you're auto attacking the same mob as your dps, and your flash spam and spirits and auto attack will hold just perfectly.
    No, when I get zealous, RoH spam isn't enough to keep up. Flash spam is just insulting.
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    Indeed Flash spamm never will hold close to equal gear lvl dps single target nuke, if it holds...your dps has L2P issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denver_Max View Post
    yes or no, and why?
    Flash works to initiate group aggro but physical dmg is needed to keep it. Spamming doesn't work because blind will have no effect until it has worn off so it will be a wast of a gcd rotation.

    If you are focusing down a marked target flash helps to keep the other enemies interested in you as party builds aggro during normal progression of fights.

    Flash early and often but don't waste gcd spamming it.
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    Flash spam is important in some end game situations, but basically it is a mix. Like someone already said, it won't always keep threat alone, and it's also resource intensive. Scorn and Spirits Within should generally be used on cooldown because they're free, and you have to tab through targets constantly to find anything you're about to lose threat on. If you have one target that you're about to lose threat on and the other targets are OK, you should do a rage of halone combo on that target. If you're close to losing threat on two targets, you can split the savage blade and rage of halone between them and cycle the combo again (though this isn't always the best way to do it, it really depends on how fast you're losing threat). If there's three or more targets you're losing threat on, you probably need to flash spam with some riot blades mixed in if you're low on MP / without ballad.

    So yes, Flash spam definitely has a place, but it should be avoided in any situation where rage of halone combos are sufficient, because they don't cost MP. Really though you need to be very dynamic as a tank. DPS and healing change from fight to fight, even in a static, so there is no go-to strategy or perfect rotation that will keep threat in every situation. These abilities all have a time and place, and as with any class it takes a little personal experience to understand when to use each, and also when you don't need to use them. Don't be afraid to keep threat close, either - at end game you'll need to conserve your resources as much as possible. So if you're only a few hundred threat above a DPS or healer, that's good enough, so long as you're confident you can keep it that way. That just takes practice.
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