Quote Originally Posted by ChriskoOnAnotherLevel View Post
Premades from shout groups are the norm for any slightly difficult dungeon, if you are talking about lower level dungeons then I guess it might be a slight problem...

But if you are using DF as your main tool for creating parties I feel very sorry for you.
I do both, but I've ended up in some pretty horrible shout groups too. Unfortunately, any tool can get DL and relic at this point so gear is irrelevant. This is mostly when I just want one more run before I log off, I figure I'll do some botany or other leveling and DF while I do so. Then the queue comes up and, a member has withdrawn from your party...over...and over...and over again. Not to mention, shout groups are in the same boat, you have 10 people shouting for "TANK AND READY TO GO!"