Nostalgia

[busta]

FFXI was great. This game is good. I like this game. I want it to be it's own thing. But I'd leave this game in 2 seconds for a FFXI-2 that felt like 2003-2010 FFXI.

[Orophin]

FFXI was my first MMO so everything it threw at me was "the norm". I stopped playing after about 4 years and played WoW. There were many things in WoW that were much more accessible and less time consuming that made me look back at FFXI and wonder "why the hell did I spend so much time trying to accomplish certain things in this game when it took a fraction of a time in WoW?"

My nostalgic feelings come from the times where I was hanging out with the community in the game. I don't miss taking several months to max out only one job or losing xp upon death or many of the other features that just made the game feel inconvenient and play at a snail's pace.

Some people only know FFXI (or X game) so they're going to be resistant to change when certain features aren't present in a new game. This is where it's all opinion and nostalgia has nothing to do with anything. They may like several features from FFXI and not to see them in FFXIV doesn't feel right for them. On the same note, they also have to understand that the developer's creed for this game is significantly different than that of FFXI, so they have to make the decision as to whether or not they can adapt to this game's playstyle or if they should move on.

[Redemption]

I have to agree with the OP here. All too often I see the argument made that "people need to take their rose colored glasses off" which is making a rapid and ignorant assumption. I personally (using ffxi as an example) remember the 'bad' that came with the good and I was always completely comfortable with it. I mean, I restarted (new account) 4 different times in ffxi and running through all of it again. I have played just about every type of MMO there is, ffxi was not even the first one I played and it still strikes me as my favorite because I actually like what it did. This does not mean I am not open to other ideas, something I can't see coming from many around here.

[Kittra]

I think the biggest problem I have when someone claims nostalgia and then proceeds to talk down to someone for not acknowledging a system's faults is that they rarely (if ever) seem to have a proper grasp on "reading comprehension," or that they're confusing Nostalgia and "Rose Tinted Glasses" which are not, as most people seem to think, the same thing.

Nostalgia: To look back on past experiences with a longing. Wishing for circumstances, events, or places of the past to return.

As for Rose Tinted Glasses, this is the actual correct term most people are looking for which is generally accepted to mean: To look upon anything and only see the agreeable while completely ignoring the disagreeable.


When I say something like, "Boy I loved the battle system of 1.23, and I wish we could have that back." and then continue on with some other reasons as to why I liked 1.23's battle system, I am being Nostalgic.

Now someone comes along who only remembers everything that was wrong with the battle system, sees my post, proceeds to click the quote button and slams me for my "Nostalgia".

He correctly claims Nostalgia... leaving it at nothing but that and he would have continued being in the right. However, he then goes on to list why he hated the system, everything wrong with it and why I am a horrible person.

He has now moved from claiming "Nostalgia" to claiming "Rose Tinted Glasses" without realizing it, but the original poster will see it for what it is, thus starting the "quote wars."

The reason this is wrong is because a person who is being Nostalgic is NOT (in most cases) also looking at the world through "Rose Tinted Glasses."

Take for example what I probably meant when I said that I wanted 1.23's battle system back. What "I" meant, was that I wanted the good parts of the system back, not the associated lag, action skill lock, etc. that Mr. Negative seems to think is included in my statement.

I perfectly remember all that I hated about 1.23's system, I simply did not post it there because adverse mechanics are assumed to never have been intended to exist in the first place.

tl;dr Stop confusing Rose Tinted Glasses for Nostalgia and actually read and THINK about what you're reading before responding. A response to something that was not understood in meaning is known as a "Knee Jerk Response."

[Aegis]

I think the biggest problem I have when {snip} "Knee Jerk Response."[/B]

THIS is the best explanation of the situation/problem I've yet read.