Current fix for Warrior is not using Warrior Skills?

[Phreak]

If a WHM throws Stoneskin on your as your Thrill of battle is starting to fade that Stoneskin is 20% stronger than what it normally is. The result is an actual EXTENSION of the Thrill of Battle Buff.

PLD uses Rampart and then gains Stone Skin. Stone Skin absorbs 20% more damage than without Rampart = 20% stronger = 'Extension'. Can be done every 90s vs every 120s (Thrill of Battle).

PLD uses Sentinel and then gains Stone Skin. Stone Skin absorbs 40% more damage than without Sentinel = 40% stronger = 'Extension'. Can be done every 180s vs every 120s (Thrill of Battle).

Not to mention what healer in their right mind would use such an expensive spell over using raw healing, Warriors already have the health pool to take any single hit in coil, the only reason for a healer to pro-actively cast Stone Skin would be because the tank needs an additional HP buffer to survive the next predictable large hit and there is a lul in the damage the tank is currently taking, no boss currently has such a predictable + slow + large wind up hit to make this a viable option.

[Gamemako]

PLD uses Rampart and then gains Stone Skin. Stone Skin absorbs 20% more damage than without Rampart = 20% stronger = 'Extension'. Can be done every 90s vs every 120s (Thrill of Battle).

25%. 1/0.8=1.25. Also 20s duration.

PLD uses Sentinel and then gains Stone Skin. Stone Skin absorbs 40% more damage than without Sentinel = 40% stronger = 'Extension'. Can be done every 180s vs every 120s (Thrill of Battle).

66.67%.

no boss currently has such a predictable + slow + large wind up hit to make this a viable option.

Not necessarily. A PLD, however, can hit Stoneskin without taking healer MP, so that typically makes much more sense than losing healing for a duration to drop an inefficient shield.

[LunaChild]

I'm just curious, there's any test result about Stoneskin (also Adloquium) and PLD's mitigation?

Do Stoneskin prevent some damage first then leftover damage got reduced by Shield Oath, Rampart, Sentinel?
Or damage is reduced first then Stoneskin prevent that amount?

[HiirNoivl]

This thread is about WAR. If you don't know how to play it and want to.talk PLD please troll elsewhere

[Taemek]

You know what I never understood?

/micon Infuriate
/ac "Inner beast"
/ac "Infuriate" <me>

Maybe it is just me, but it seems the developers don't fully understand their own game. Clearly macroing is too hard I guess.

Not that I am complaining, because now I can utilize Infuriate for Unchained more often now.

[HiirNoivl]

Be careful with that macro. Inner Beast is on cool down. Infuriate is not. Its very easy to completely waste your infuriate because you hit the button too early

[Taemek]

Not necessarily. A PLD, however, can hit Stoneskin without taking healer MP, so that typically makes much more sense than losing healing for a duration to drop an inefficient shield.

While this is true, they only get access to the non-trait version of Stone Skin, where a healers stone skin is buffed through trait.

[Taemek]

Be careful with that macro. Inner Beast is on cool down. Infuriate is not. Its very easy to completely waste your infuriate because you hit the button too early

Yeah I have Inner beast in a button of its own so I can monitor its CD.

[LunaChild]

This thread is about WAR. If you don't know how to play it and want to.talk PLD please troll elsewhere

if you mean me, sorry about my question look like I'm trolling. I really just want to know how Stoneskin work.
My main job is Warrior so I'm not playing PLD much that's why I don't know myself how Stoneskin work with Shield Oath. If it prevent certain damage before calculated with Shield Oath, for me that mean Stoneskin is working better on WAR than PLD.

well, I'm apologize again if it's look like I was trolling.

[MBTL90]

Stoneskin is the same on paladins and warriors.
Paladin
Base 1000hp
10% stoneskin = 100 hp on paladin
get attacked for 200 damage
paladin mitigates *.8, so take 160 damage
stoneskin aborbs 100, take 60
end hp = 940 hp
need a 60 point heal to get to full
Stoneskin reduced the incoming damage by 100/160, or 62.5%

Warrior
Base hp 1000hp, w/ defiance = 1250 hp
10% stoneskin = 125 hp
get attacked for 200 damage
stoneskin aborbs 125, take 75
end hp = 1175 hp
need a 75 point heal to get to full
Stoneskin reduced the incoming damage by 125/200, or 62.5%

Stoneskin reduced the damage taken by the same percent for each class.

This also shows the inferiority of wars. To top off the paladin, you need to heal for 60. An equivalent heal on a war would heal for 60*1.15 to account for wrath, which only gets you to 69 healed. This still wouldn't top off the war, as he is 75 health down.