Current fix for Warrior is not using Warrior Skills?

[Nelos]

That's why your other CD's will increase your wrath stacks, for a quicker progression to Infuriate. The Warrior just requires more micromanagement than most people will give the time for.

So you're saying we should hold on Berserk for after IB because it gives one stack back ? And Vengeance on 2 min CD ?
Foresight... nope
Bloodbath... nope
ToB... nope
Conv... oh wait
AoE shit I forgot the name... woops no

There's no fast way to 5 stacks except Infuriate.

[HiirNoivl]

Be careful with that macro. Inner Beast is on cool down. Infuriate is not. Its very easy to completely waste your infuriate because you hit the button too early

[Taemek]

Be careful with that macro. Inner Beast is on cool down. Infuriate is not. Its very easy to completely waste your infuriate because you hit the button too early

Yeah I have Inner beast in a button of its own so I can monitor its CD.

[Leiron]

Um...no...Stoneskin's effect is after the fact, not before.
Shield oath is applied like this

Damage calculated x (shield oath reduction).
Stone skins effect uses the final damage calculation.

If it were before the fact, then defiance would have no effect on Stoneskin.

[Judge_Xero]

Um...no...Stoneskin's effect is after the fact, not before.
Shield oath is applied like this

Damage calculated x (shield oath reduction).
Stone skins effect uses the final damage calculation.

If it were before the fact, then defiance would have no effect on Stoneskin.

Are you sure? It makes sense that the damage reduction wouldn't take effect until the damage actually hits Paladin, which it doesn't with Stoneskin.

Why would Defiance have no effect on Stoneskin otherwise? The HP value is a static value. Buffed Stoneskin is just 18% of Max HP even when combined with Thrill of Battle. What would be a reasonable way to test that theory? Gather the average damage of a normal mob without Shield Oath and then compare it to how many hits it takes to remove Stoneskin. Even if you apply Defensive buffs + Shield Oath if the amount to remove Stoneskin is greater than the calculated shield value then CD's and Shield Oath does effect Damage pre-Paladin Damage.

[Leiron]

Are you sure? It makes sense that the damage reduction wouldn't take effect until the damage actually hits Paladin, which it doesn't with Stoneskin.

That sentence was a little confusing.
Stoneskins damage reduction uses the final damage calculation.
SO if you normally hit for 10, then use maim to hit for 12, that end damage number of 12 will be used instead of the base 10.
You can easily test this with weak hitting mobs as well.

Stoneskin relies on the final damage calculation, it doesn't use the damage from before reduction.
Stoneskin also utilizes the final HP of the target.
So if a Warrior has 7k health, then pops ToB for 1400 more health, then whats used for the 18% modifier is the 8400 HP number, and not the 7k nor the 5.4k hp base.

Test it yourself if you'd like.
That is the conclusion I came to from using it.
Always possible I am remembering it wrong since i tested it while back.

[Judge_Xero]

Yeah, I took some time and tested it. Lvl 15 Earth Sprites (No Shield and No Parry on Magic)

Stoneskin does factor in Buffs and Shield Oath. Warrior does pretty much get the shaft on everything.

[ExarKun007]

Asbel, the use of IB is not in question. The point of the thread is that a warrior has a choice between using wrath abilities and getting the bonus healing that they were balanced for. Once a minute being able to go back to 5 wrath stacks is a joke. Don't be an ass. The class clearly needs a bit of tweaking to be competitive with paladin, there's no point in denying it. Decouple the healing bonus from wrath and put it on defiance, give warriors a 5 minute cooldown giving them 1000% damage done as healing, and add enhance foresight to be what it is now along with 20% parry. Done. Warriors might actually have a spot in high end raiding.

[AsbelLahnt]

I definitely see where you're coming from, and I've been behind that all the way. I am all for a tweak to the class, and happy that it's coming. I had seen way early in the posts that someone had said that infuriate was useless, along with seeing so many warriors just sucking in my world, and I wanted to get a mechanic out there that can be very useful.

[ExarKun007]

I definitely see where you're coming from, and I've been behind that all the way. I am all for a tweak to the class, and happy that it's coming. I had seen way early in the posts that someone had said that infuriate was useless, along with seeing so many warriors just sucking in my world, and I wanted to get a mechanic out there that can be very useful.

Infuriate as a 1 minute cooldown ability IS useless as a cooldown, unless you're fighting a boss who happens to only have 1 big move that they do once a minute. If warrior's had other useful cooldowns, other than TOB, it wouldn't be an issue. If you are clearing content as a warrior, you aren't a special snowflake. Your healers are.