Current fix for Warrior is not using Warrior Skills?

[Shinkyo]

My experience is that, outside of near death situation, IB should only be used :
- when you're down enough so that 2 heals won't top you (basically when you're below 50%)
- And you either have Infuriate or Convalescence (maybe featherfoot) available

Healers really feel when we don't have the heal buff (more than our IB...) so we really have to keep it up as much as possible. If IB is used when over 50% of HP, there's high chance that we overheal by a lot.

[Uliq]

My experience is that, outside of near death situation, IB should only be used :
- when you're down enough so that 2 heals won't top you (basically when you're below 50%)
- And you either have Infuriate or Convalescence (maybe featherfoot) available

The fact of the matter that the producer is only calculating the use of a single warrior ability is the complaint. They are also trying to tell you how to play a class, meaning there is only one way to play it. If I can't use the other war abilities why do they even exist? As for the use of IB, the only time you should burn your wrath for it is when your about to die(25% or less imo). The 15% on wrath stacks doesn't really mean anything between the timing of curing spell casting unless the healer pops swiftcast or is using a major heal that heals you a significant amount. This is a warrior problem that started at level 30 and has only gotten worse because enemies hit harder.

[Hanabira]

As a full vit war, I have no problems holding hate. The only real problem i ever had with hate was using the mog axe, and i had a +1 smn destroying mobs with shadow flare. Against a single target, there is no excuse to having hate issues unless you are badly geared with especially well geared DDs..

i'm especially irritated that the devs did basically say, if you want to tank well, dont use any of your skills because you need that 15%... so we are the self healing tank that cant use our healing move because we are punished with lower heals received if we do so.. that is some psycho stuff. but i also believe removing the heals received from wrath was one of the changes being made.

[nijian]

I went with 10 STR and 20 VIT and I can hold aggro NO PROBLEM what so ever. I use my Wrath stacks depending how i need em. AoE group? Might use Unchained or CS. Taking a boss? Might use IB if I see a bit coming. I try to learn the fights, see the big hit coming, and time my IB. I do really wish that the +% healing bonus was on Defiance, NOT the Wrath stacks. That would be a good easy fix that would address many peoples concerns. So then what would Wrath offer if not for the bonus healing? Maybe more damage? Maybe gives you damage reduction? Also, what the hell is the point of "Infuriated"?? It doesn't really say that it does anything in particular.

[Hanabira]

infuriated just means you have 5 stacks wrath

[nijian]

Well, that's.............................relevant. Thanks for clearing that up!

Seems like pointless use of words to confuse people thinking there is potentially something relevant to it. :P

[HiirNoivl]

They didn't say don't use your skills But that the 15% heal is better on large damage while the Inner Beast is better on smaller damage. You also have selfheals like Bloodbath, Second Wind, and Thrill of Battle.

The issue is that to be truly effective heals WAR skills have to be used in combination.

Attack buffs need to be stacked with the self heals for example. (Berserk and Inner Beast, Internal Release with Second Wind. Vengeance with Bloodbath)

There's a huge boost to damage mitigation when you have Stoneskin applied while in Thrill of Battle Status.

There's a Large buff to attack power when you use Unchained with any other buff on the list, including Infuriate.

Wrath V is just a general buff that's effective when you have no other effective cures available or if your damage exceeds that threshold where they would even matter (which for me is a 4-5k hit.).

[Hanabira]

There's also the matter of Wrath and the use of Inner Beast. I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar.

To me this says dont use it at all. lets say you DO time it just right so you top yourself off and not get overcures... these endgame mobs use these really hard hitting abilities much sooner than you can get your wrath back. so sure you healed yourself for 1200ish, but now you are in big trouble when you catch the next one.

[HiirNoivl]

To me this says dont use it at all. lets say you DO time it just right so you top yourself off and not get overcures... these endgame mobs use these really hard hitting abilities much sooner than you can get your wrath back. so sure you healed yourself for 1200ish, but now you are in big trouble when you catch the next one.

Exactly. That's why they said that this was a bit difficult and is being adjusted in 2.1. He did give a tip.

Before you use Inner Beast use Heavy Swing to start you combo, Inner beast will not interrupt your combo. Your next skill will give you Wrath. You can also take advantage of "Free Wrath" from Vengeance and Berserk. You get 3% more heals for every stack of Wrath you have, so even if you're at only Wrath IV, you'll be getting an increase in heals at the time of hit that's way better than having no Wrath stacks at all.

It's basically all in the timing. As you practice, you find yourself having to use fewer skills as your efficiency increases.

P.S. Slow debuffs help.

[Hanabira]

The thing i see wrong with that is that the heals come in a constant stream for stuff like dreads. you are constantly under heavy fire and you're being spammed with cures from probably whm, sch and the fairy. there is no "after heals" and if there is, you probably dont need IB anymore.