We cannot tolerate this...

[Azyria]

One thing I wonder...

Is all the epic gear and experience REALLY needed, or are some players just impatient and want to get it done quick? It's especially mind-numbing when the game was barely out and the very first wave of 50's was asking for experienced people who "know all the fights".

On the other hand, when I use the DF I often end up with some derps who not only don't seem to know what they're doing (which is okay) but they don't respond in any way when I attempt to communicate (which is NOT okay!)

I can see the correlation between the two ends of that spectrum, really...

I guess the bottom line is...

- Teach to those willing to learn.
- Be willing to learn.
- Respect the choices of those highly geared and experienced folks who wish to group with their peers.
- Ask politely and be prepared for a No if you want to run with the pros.

And lol at the internet fight pic. I wonder which one of those guy is the tank, the dps and the healer?

[Shizato]

Is all the epic gear and experience REALLY needed

Nope, just personal preferences of some players who form groups in shout.

You can form your own groups in shout with your own personal preferences, too.

[AunaYuuki]

I speak up a good bit if I see someone being mistreated. Sure I get screamed at in return but it helps the other player out especially on lower end storyline dungeons. I get being frustrated I really do but it is really worth bullying someone over it? Instead of trash mouthing why don't you help them out and give them tips in a nice way? I really don't understand why people seem to flip their lids and bad mouth other players especially newer ones to the game. Shouldn't we as a community open our arms and help everyone including the new generation?

[xXHalloweenTrixXx]

I made a report about a Tank in my same server pug group for AK who made very derogatory comments about homosexuals, and SE has yet to do anything about it. I'm wondering if they even check the reports in general. But yes the tank made it very clear that DPS are a dime a dozen and can be easily replaced along with those comments.

[Acaelus]

Honestly I want both sides to stfu and just play the game. Elitists will never get perfection, and non-elitists will never let anyone stop hearing the end of it. I'm sure somewhere in this 10 page thread I skimmed, someone blamed the devs, and another blamed communism.

[Delorean]

depends on what you classify as offensive behavior

which to sensitive people could be anything from making a joke to criticizing their method of play

i once had someone throw a fit over the ahriman glitching in dzemael darkhold, blaming it on us impatient dps. you can run right by the thing into a corner, it is not a big deal. i told them that normally people dont manage to facepull the entire room and that is why we wiped, not because an ahriman that was out of los was stuck in a doorway spamming an ae that couldn't hit us. Then they got upset, called me toxic and RQ LOL.

they acted like i just told them they are the worst player in the game and should unplug their internet or something equally as mean. =\

[Acaelus]

Then they got upset, called me toxic and RQ LOL.

they acted like i just told them they are the worst player in the game and should unplug their internet or something equally as mean. =\

Well that always makes the situation a little less annoying.

[Mihlo]

Nope, just personal preferences of some players who form groups in shout.

You can form your own groups in shout with your own personal preferences, too.

While it is certainly your perogative if you create your own group and I have nothing against that. It starts to become an issue when everyone is doing it.

As an example I remember the tail end of WoTLK, after you got the best gear you could from dungeon runs, all that was left was to go in Icecrown Citadel and farm frost tokens for Tier 10, the best set at the time.

Every group in /shout for ICC had requirements that went along the lines of "must have achievement, must have gearscore <5500".

This effectively put new players in a catch 22 of needing the better gear, but not being able to run ICC because they need the achievements, to get the achievements they need to run ICC, which requires better gear, which requires running ICC, which requires the achievements....

[PopeHat]

I'm sorry but when I'm doing WP or AK for the 100th time, I have no interest in a subpar party. I have a group that I usually run with, but sometimes we're down a specific role and I look for very specific people to fill that role in shout so I don't have to tolerate being in a dungeon longer than I have to be. If you're a melee, undergeared or a scholar then have no interest in running with you. If you don't at least have a relic, then I also have no interest in running with you. If you're a WHM that doesn't DPS when needed, then I won't be running with you again. If you asked me a couple weeks ago before I was burnt out on the dungeon grinding in this game, I would of had no issues helping you run through AK. I'm already doing a chore by running these dungeons, don't impose your non-elitist ideals on me because I have standards and expectations of what I want out of my dungeon party. If I wanted to deal with a 45 minute run, I'd be in the DF tool.

[Aaron_T]

Look, if you say something offensive to anyone, regardless of who they are your probably gonna catch some backlash.
You can say something to me no matter where I am in the game I don't really care I won't wtich hunt you.

But if your rude, or very negative, I'm probably going to avoid you.
IF you rush into things and waste people's time, don't even research fights
or just generally do dumb things, I'll probably also avoid you.

But I'm not gonna blacklist you, or exclude you from a group if I feel you can handle the task at hand.