We cannot tolerate this...

[BobtheBlackMage]

Skill ≠ stats

Dodge rate is a stat. The last thing we want is for new lvl 50's thinking they need to find a way to hit 95% dodge rating like it's WoW.

And yes, if you have a party that can quantify dodge rate of 95%, whether it is skill or stat, no one would be stuck on Titan. Being a 50 DRG and GLD I am going to assume you have been to Titan on at least one of those jobs and would know that if everyone could dodge 95% of his attacks, it would be cake walk. It's not a strict DPS race except for the heart and even then a lvl 2 limit break solves that issue. Losing DPS and healers due to dodge failures is what kills people on Titan. That or incorrect timing on tank heals during Mountain Buster. But with a 95% dodge rate stat wise, it wouldn't be an issue.

So, you are still fighting and crying this hard about semantics? Really?

You just listed why they would want players who manage to dodge most of Titan's Skills! Your own words explained the very reason why the other party would consider that valuable, even if it couldn't be measured before the fight!

[BobtheBlackMage]

You weren't there to see the chat, how do you know there was hostility? (Although there's a good chance there was)

He/she described it as "trolling", with an overall tone of pride. Seems pretty obvious.

[BobtheBlackMage]

Quantitative proof, please.

See how stupid, belittling and enflaming what I just asked you for sounds?

Not that much, actually. It's just that the perceived definition of 'trolling' seems to have changed while I wasn't looking from 'harmless baiting' to 'malicious attacks'.

See that second line? That smug, self-satisfied tone evidenced by your malicious mangling of my chosen verbiage?

That is the inflammatory nonsense that points to your impacted social skills. Every time you show flagrant disregard for other player's agency, every time you decided to parade yourself as superior by demanding proof from players who probably want nothing to do with you, you bring the entire community down.

Job well done.

[C-croft]

So, you are still fighting and crying this hard about semantics? Really?

You just listed why they would want players who manage to dodge most of Titan's Skills! Your own words explained the very reason why the other party would consider that valuable, even if it couldn't be measured before the fight!

Well, you are the one who implied that I am a selective, elitist jerk. I am merely clarifying my position on Titan and the 'skill' required to defeat him. Instead of addressing the difference between skill and stats, you choose instead to use 'semantics' as a defense. And with that first comment, who's the condescending, defensive jerk now? /sarcasm

[gamesmart]

He/she described it as "trolling", with an overall tone of pride. Seems pretty obvious.

Not that obvious, since it's not always true. Clever trolling usually doesn't anger people - they usually won't realize they've been trolled until later, at which point any reasonable person would just laugh it off and move on. It's not confined to personal attacks.

[BobtheBlackMage]

Well, you are the one who implied that I am a selective, elitist jerk. I am merely clarifying my position on Titan and the 'skill' required to defeat him. Instead of addressing the difference between skill and stats, you choose instead to use 'semantics' as a defense. And with that first comment, who's the condescending, defensive jerk now? /sarcasm

I don't even know where to begin. Your hang-up this entire time is the use of the word "rate" in conjunction with the word "dodge" and what it means in a completely different game, and not what the person in question actually meant, something was easily inferred by the bulk of what another person, (A detractor, by the way) repeated. That is the very definition of arguing about semantics.

And you are still the jerk, because several posts later, you are STILL trying to justify your misunderstanding.

[Livilda]

Well, it has become quite clear to me that no matter how much I try to tell you that no harm was meant and that no harm was done, you're going to continue to read far too much into something for which you have no context and try to find ways to twist my words into something that justifies the stream of vitriol you have been directing at me for the past few hours. It's been a fun dance, but it's late and I'm hungry, so I'm afraid I have to end it now by adding you to my ignore list. You're the first one! Congratulations!

Not that obvious, since it's not always true. Clever trolling usually doesn't anger people - they usually won't realize they've been trolled until later, at which point any reasonable person would just laugh it off and move on. It's not confined to personal attacks.

You are the wind beneath my wings.

[C-croft]

I don't even know where to begin. Your hang-up this entire time is the use of the word "rate" in conjunction with the word "dodge" and what it means in a completely different game, and not what the person in question actually meant, something was easily inferred by the bulk of what another person, (A detractor, by the way) repeated. That is the very definition of arguing about semantics.

And you are still the jerk, because several posts later, you are STILL trying to justify your misunderstanding.

Awww, I was hoping we could do this some more before you started resorting to personal attacks. :_(

[BobtheBlackMage]

Awww, I was hoping we could do this some more before you started resorting to personal attacks. :_(

I have now words. So much hypocrisy. I'm laughing too hard to keep a cohesive thought. Well played. You win.

Attn FFXIV players: Its apparently horribly elitist to make your own requirements for groups! So sayeth C-croft, so say we all!

[C-croft]

I have now words. So much hypocrisy. I'm laughing too hard to keep a cohesive thought. Well played. You win.

Attn FFXIV players: Its apparently horribly elitist to make your own requirements for groups! So sayeth C-croft, so say we all!

Actually, you can find me stating making your own requirements outside of DF is more than acceptable. Making ridiculous requirements is not. But ultimately it's ok because I have a dodge rate of 97.64%.



Thanks for playing! No harm, no foul?