We cannot tolerate this...

[C-croft]

The issue here is that instead of clarifying, or just leaving the other group alone, Livilda chose to mock and abuse them publicly ("troll"). Seriously, that is just reprehensible behavior. The "casual" crowd is often more abusive than the "hardcore" crowd, with a sprinkling of undeserved entitlement.

If I want to run WP in 8 minutes, I'm going to look for other people who want to do the same. If I want people who think have a handle on Titan's skillset and have the confidence to say "Fuck yeah, I avoid more than 95% of his attacks" for a quick, no fuss run, then I'll say that. If I'm not looking for that, I won't demean and belittle the people who are to make myself feel better or smarter than them. If you open up that chat prompt to "prove" yourself, do us all a favor and just close it.

And with that last comment, I gotta ask, who is the selective, elitist jerk now?

Skill ≠ stats

Dodge rate is a stat. The last thing we want is for new lvl 50's thinking they need to find a way to hit 95% dodge rating like it's WoW.

And yes, if you have a party that can quantify dodge rate of 95%, whether it is skill or stat, no one would be stuck on Titan. Being a 50 DRG and GLD I am going to assume you have been to Titan on at least one of those jobs and would know that if everyone could dodge 95% of his attacks, it would be cake walk. It's not a strict DPS race except for the heart and even then a lvl 2 limit break solves that issue. Losing DPS and healers due to dodge failures is what kills people on Titan. That or incorrect timing on tank heals during Mountain Buster. But with a 95% dodge rate stat wise, it wouldn't be an issue.

[BobtheBlackMage]

Skill ≠ stats

Dodge rate is a stat. The last thing we want is for new lvl 50's thinking they need to find a way to hit 95% dodge rating like it's WoW.

And yes, if you have a party that can quantify dodge rate of 95%, whether it is skill or stat, no one would be stuck on Titan. Being a 50 DRG and GLD I am going to assume you have been to Titan on at least one of those jobs and would know that if everyone could dodge 95% of his attacks, it would be cake walk. It's not a strict DPS race except for the heart and even then a lvl 2 limit break solves that issue. Losing DPS and healers due to dodge failures is what kills people on Titan. That or incorrect timing on tank heals during Mountain Buster. But with a 95% dodge rate stat wise, it wouldn't be an issue.

So, you are still fighting and crying this hard about semantics? Really?

You just listed why they would want players who manage to dodge most of Titan's Skills! Your own words explained the very reason why the other party would consider that valuable, even if it couldn't be measured before the fight!

[C-croft]

So, you are still fighting and crying this hard about semantics? Really?

You just listed why they would want players who manage to dodge most of Titan's Skills! Your own words explained the very reason why the other party would consider that valuable, even if it couldn't be measured before the fight!

Well, you are the one who implied that I am a selective, elitist jerk. I am merely clarifying my position on Titan and the 'skill' required to defeat him. Instead of addressing the difference between skill and stats, you choose instead to use 'semantics' as a defense. And with that first comment, who's the condescending, defensive jerk now? /sarcasm

[BobtheBlackMage]

Well, you are the one who implied that I am a selective, elitist jerk. I am merely clarifying my position on Titan and the 'skill' required to defeat him. Instead of addressing the difference between skill and stats, you choose instead to use 'semantics' as a defense. And with that first comment, who's the condescending, defensive jerk now? /sarcasm

I don't even know where to begin. Your hang-up this entire time is the use of the word "rate" in conjunction with the word "dodge" and what it means in a completely different game, and not what the person in question actually meant, something was easily inferred by the bulk of what another person, (A detractor, by the way) repeated. That is the very definition of arguing about semantics.

And you are still the jerk, because several posts later, you are STILL trying to justify your misunderstanding.

[C-croft]

I don't even know where to begin. Your hang-up this entire time is the use of the word "rate" in conjunction with the word "dodge" and what it means in a completely different game, and not what the person in question actually meant, something was easily inferred by the bulk of what another person, (A detractor, by the way) repeated. That is the very definition of arguing about semantics.

And you are still the jerk, because several posts later, you are STILL trying to justify your misunderstanding.

Awww, I was hoping we could do this some more before you started resorting to personal attacks. :_(

[BobtheBlackMage]

Awww, I was hoping we could do this some more before you started resorting to personal attacks. :_(

I have now words. So much hypocrisy. I'm laughing too hard to keep a cohesive thought. Well played. You win.

Attn FFXIV players: Its apparently horribly elitist to make your own requirements for groups! So sayeth C-croft, so say we all!

[C-croft]

I have now words. So much hypocrisy. I'm laughing too hard to keep a cohesive thought. Well played. You win.

Attn FFXIV players: Its apparently horribly elitist to make your own requirements for groups! So sayeth C-croft, so say we all!

Actually, you can find me stating making your own requirements outside of DF is more than acceptable. Making ridiculous requirements is not. But ultimately it's ok because I have a dodge rate of 97.64%.



Thanks for playing! No harm, no foul?

[Livilda]

Well, it has become quite clear to me that no matter how much I try to tell you that no harm was meant and that no harm was done, you're going to continue to read far too much into something for which you have no context and try to find ways to twist my words into something that justifies the stream of vitriol you have been directing at me for the past few hours. It's been a fun dance, but it's late and I'm hungry, so I'm afraid I have to end it now by adding you to my ignore list. You're the first one! Congratulations!

Not that obvious, since it's not always true. Clever trolling usually doesn't anger people - they usually won't realize they've been trolled until later, at which point any reasonable person would just laugh it off and move on. It's not confined to personal attacks.

You are the wind beneath my wings.