Jumping Risk Assessment

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Actually, I thought there was some humor in Neptune's post, it did seem a bit joking but serious at the same time. BTW what server did you play FFXI on Nep? There is no doubt in my mind that you played XI.

That is called Sarcasm...

@Neptune I loved your post lol but I don't think many here understands sarcasm and see that you are for jumping and not against it. I haven't read all the posts yet but it just makes me laugh how people don't get sarcasm at all.. heck english is not even my first language and I could see it, how can so many just think you were listing arguments against jumping is really beyond me.

[Xandre]

I still can't get over how something as trivial as jumping can be so controversial.

[Tiraelina]

Someone else having fun with a feature offends others that don't like said feature.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

That is called Sarcasm...

@Neptune I loved your post lol but I don't think many here understands sarcasm and see that you are for jumping and not against it. I haven't read all the posts yet but it just makes me laugh how people don't get sarcasm at all.. heck english is not even my first language and I could see it, how can so many just think you were listing arguments against jumping is really beyond me.

Well it wasn't exactly Sarcasm what I was talking about, also sarcasm isn't the easiest thing to spot when it comes to typing mainly because there are plenty of people out there that would seriously post what he did and I have seen it on many occasions.

[Elexia]

Someone else having fun with a feature offends others that don't like said feature.

It's more like people wanting said useless..err "fun" feature are extremely stubborn and feel it will make the game better. I've played more than 20 MMOs with a jump feature, 2 of which had a use for it and all 20 didn't have enhanced or fun gameplay because you can jump.

The game's features and specific focus, i.e Dungeons, Rifts, Air Combat, War etc were what made the game fun, not because I can jump.

Guess what made Mass Effect fun? I can promise you it wasn't the vault mechanic.

[Nikita]

It's more like people wanting said useless..err "fun" feature are extremely stubborn and feel it will make the game better. I've played more than 20 MMOs with a jump feature, 2 of which had a use for it and all 20 didn't have enhanced or fun gameplay because you can jump.

The game's features and specific focus, i.e Dungeons, Rifts, Air Combat, War etc were what made the game fun, not because I can jump.

Guess what made Mass Effect fun? I can promise you it wasn't the vault mechanic.

Ahh, back again to tell us what is and isn't fun, what we should and shouldnt want, what is and isn't needed and to preach your opinions as facts.

[Elexia]

Ahh, back again to tell us what is and isn't fun, what we should and shouldnt want, what is and isn't needed and to preach your opinions as facts.

Funny thing is, people who say it will make the game "better" seem to think FFXIV is going to instantly have platforming or a battle implementation. What's fun is subjective, but the ability to jump doesn't make a game fun.

So I take it if someone made a flash game where all you did was jump back and forth and did nothing else for hours on end would be considered fun? Since that would say that a jump mechanic is what makes games fun.

[Jennestia]

Ahh, back again to tell us what is and isn't fun, what we should and shouldnt want, what is and isn't needed and to preach your opinions as facts.

I don't see her saying what is and isn't fun or what people should and shouldn't want -- the beginnings of personal attacks are always fun.

Realistically, why would a jump mechanic make the game more fun compared to actual content? No one can answer this question without throwing in rhetorical situations i.e "it will lead the way to platforming puzzle solving" -- how do you know SE would intend to create said puzzles?

[Tiraelina]

It's more like people wanting said useless..err "fun" feature are extremely stubborn and feel it will make the game better. I've played more than 20 MMOs with a jump feature, 2 of which had a use for it and all 20 didn't have enhanced or fun gameplay because you can jump.

The game's features and specific focus, i.e Dungeons, Rifts, Air Combat, War etc were what made the game fun, not because I can jump.

Guess what made Mass Effect fun? I can promise you it wasn't the vault mechanic.

Stubborn because they want the feature or is it just that you can't see how someone would find it fun to have? It's really amusing reading about how the addition of auto-attack is bad because it removes player control and interaction. Letting everyone walk over everything without a second thought is doing the same thing and yet we have suggestions that make it a glorified walking and automate everything further.

Guildwars 2 is even letting players be able to jump and swim over terrain freely after locking everything to the ground on a set path around the world just like XIV, its also being used for more than travelling.

"One of our priorities in developing Guild Wars 2 has been to make the simple act of moving around and interacting with the world an enjoyable experience for our players. We often refer to this as introducing "joy of movement" into the game. This means being able to jump and swim freely, but it also translates directly into combat."

Funny thing is, people who say it will make the game "better" seem to think FFXIV is going to instantly have platforming or a battle implementation. What's fun is subjective, but the ability to jump doesn't make a game fun.

So I take it if someone made a flash game where all you did was jump back and forth and did nothing else for hours on end would be considered fun? Since that would say that a jump mechanic is what makes games fun.

From my earlier post.

"Jumping is part of the package and if they want to implement it with any worth they can't keep putting it off unless they are going to design around it beforehand going forward."

I don't know why you keep looking at jumping in a vacuum, that isn't how developing a game works. Especially thinking the only uses for jumping is platforming.

[Arcell]

I'm all for jumping as long as it serves a purpose. Jumping for the sake of jumping is stupid and lazy, might as well not have it at all at that point.

If it serves a purpose such as terrain navigation, avoiding obstacles or even navigating platforming segments I'm all for it. IF they added things like that then I could see jumping adding some more fun to the otherwise boring task of moving from point A to point B. Not saying they will but if they did. The only way to really answer how it would make the game more fun is to speculate situations in which it would.

If it was just there for the sake of allowing you to jump with no purpose I would of course be against it. Why add a mechanic to the game that serves no real gameplay purpose? At that point you would just have people bunny hopping around for no reason.

The one restriction I would like to see on jumping though is that it cannot take priority over any battle action. The reason for this is because in Aion people liked to use jumping as an exploit to cancel battle animations on Ranger and that was adopted as the only way to play the class for a while. It was pretty obnoxious and I'd like to not see that happen here.