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  1. #21
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    Hiro_Protagonist's Avatar
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    Hiro Protagonist
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    I feel like T1 is a major mana/heal check if you use the traditional dual-tank method that we use. After the split I can keep the tank up using regen + cure 1 at the beginning, but as the stacks start to rebuild I have to switch to divine seal regen and cure 2 to make sure they don't go down. At that point mana is a serious concern if you haven't timed your SoS well.

    Here's a good example of why the gear is more necessary than the skill: at the initial pull of Caduceus, he slams the tank so hard you commonly see his health drop to 20% in the first few seconds. Too many times I've seen healers pull aggro because they attempt to overcome this by spamming Cure 2 at the start; 95% of the time we have to wipe it unless the tank can quickly reacquire aggro. For this starting phase, you need to be able to keep the tank up with a single low-level heal until after 5s or so when they've established enough aggro for you to use more powerful heals.
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  2. #22
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    Karina Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terius View Post
    Just keep running AK for the rest then. Full Strategos gives you 3.2k+ HP in a group, thats when I cleared Titan (ofc he can be done with a bit less, people are just too lazy to take anyone not in full DL these days) and got my Omnilex. (SCH Relic)

    You can slowly replace Strategos with DL if it suits you, maybe prioritize anything with crit/whatever you need most on it.
    I'll continue to run AK since it's kinda fast, I still need the Myth tomes and now you just told me all Strategos pieces can drop there. Thanks!
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  3. #23
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    If you didn't know that Crystal Tower was a tier below Coil and that all Strategos dropped in AK, you are not ready for Coil.
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  4. #24
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    Terius's Avatar
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    Terius Palemoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeZero View Post
    I'll continue to run AK since it's kinda fast, I still need the Myth tomes and now you just told me all Strategos pieces can drop there. Thanks!
    From what I remember:

    1st Boss = Gloves
    Chest between 1st and 2nd = Earings/Ring/Necklace and Belt
    2nd Boss = Legs & Boots.
    3rd Boss = Chest & Helm.

    As you said it gives Myths too so you'll always end up running it each week. Get your Relic to +1 which costs 900 Myths as it gives the largest initial boost.

    And doing all that AK running will net you 100 Phil tomes a go, so you'll have plenty to upgrade yourself with some Darklight pieces too.

    You'll want to buy the Darklight Ring & Bracelet first, as the DL ring is unique and you cannot have two, which is why Strategos Ring is your ideal 2nd ring. This means you should have Strategos Earings, Necklace & Ring from AK with Darklight Bracelet and Ring filling out the remanining jewelery gear slots.
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    Last edited by Terius; 11-01-2013 at 05:52 AM.

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade View Post
    If you didn't know that Crystal Tower was a tier below Coil and that all Strategos dropped in AK, you are not ready for Coil.
    1- How am I supposed all Strategos can drop in AK when the official database doesn't even say where to get the gear?
    2- In almost every run, it's always the same gear that drops (aka everything except Strategos) like on Demon Wall, it's always 2 pants: 1 for PLD/WAR the other for DoW, except 1 run where I got the Warlock pants, otherwise it's the exact same 2 pants every single time...not even sure the Warlock pants dropped there, might be in WP instead.
    3- It's totally logical (why didn't I think of that) that new content means going a Tier below. I'm such a n00b to expect a Tier higher with new dungeons/raids...
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    Last edited by TimeZero; 11-01-2013 at 06:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terius View Post
    Get your Relic to +1 which costs 900 Myths as it gives the largest initial boost.

    And doing all that AK running will net you 100 Phil tomes a go, so you'll have plenty to upgrade yourself with some Darklight pieces too.

    You'll want to buy the Darklight Ring & Bracelet first, as the DL ring is unique and you cannot have two, which is why Strategos Ring is your ideal 2nd ring. This means you should have Strategos Earings, Necklace & Ring from AK with Darklight Bracelet and Ring filling out the remanining jewelery gear slots.
    That is what I've done since it seems only logical to me to upgrade the worst items I had at the time: Earings/Bracelet

    I currently have: DL Earings, DL Bracelets, Strategos Necklace-Ring-Boots, Warlock Hat-Pants

    I was planning to get AF2 Chest with the Myth tomes instead of the Relic+1 since it would upgrade from ilvl 55 to ilvl 90. After the chest I would go for AF2 Circlet, meanwhile going for DL Ring and Belt.
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    Yvaine Isaulde
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeZero View Post
    I was planning to get AF2 Chest with the Myth tomes instead of the Relic+1 since it would upgrade from ilvl 55 to ilvl 90. After the chest I would go for AF2 Circlet, meanwhile going for DL Ring and Belt.
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  8. #28
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    I would not compare any runs with coil atm. They are in its own category. For healer in coil, we basically spam heals without much downtime.

    If you gear is anything less than relic/full dl or close to full dl, you would have mana issue starting from Turn1 (Caduceus).

    Don't let anyone tell you skill is more important that gear. They are BOTH as important, no amount of skills can save your tank when you are oom.

    Lastly, you would want to get your relic+1 if you haven't already have it. The best myth upgrade for WHM.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimeZero View Post
    Where did you get that info? I've seen nothing stating that in any of the Producer Letter. Getting new content that has lesser drop than Vanilla doesn't make any sense. Why would we go in Crystal Tower when Coil is what we aim for? Especially since Crystal Tower is a lot more intense on getting a group together. (24 people)
    Crystal tower being ilvl80 is a common knowledge for most player. This is also why using even full DL(ilvl70), your tank will get 2k-ish normal hit by any boss in coil (ilvl90). Bosses in coil is a stage higher than your current content, therefore only those well prepared can down coil boss.
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    Last edited by Marcusow86; 11-01-2013 at 12:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro_Protagonist View Post
    Too many times I've seen healers pull aggro because they attempt to overcome this by spamming Cure 2 at the start; 95% of the time we have to wipe it unless the tank can quickly reacquire aggro. For this starting phase, you need to be able to keep the tank up with a single low-level heal until after 5s or so when they've established enough aggro for you to use more powerful heals.
    The first big hit from Caduceus is a SCH's job. We can shield before pull, shield after hit and tank will be at full heal. This is why for coil setup, SCH is a valuable asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusow86 View Post
    The first big hit from Caduceus is a SCH's job. We can shield before pull, shield after hit and tank will be at full heal. This is why for coil setup, SCH is a valuable asset.
    I 100% agree; I will almost ALWAYS prefer to co-heal with a SCH. Unfortunately, my static FC group is 2 WHM. It works. But I especially love letting SCH be 100% focused on tanks in Turn 2 so I can focus on ancillary heals when necessary.
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