Item duping is killing Crafters

[Uldi]

Seems to me that you don't understand what happens to prices once certain materials (or in this case the special currency used to purchase them) are being farmed by an increasing number of players. Short answer: They plummet like a lead weight.

The prices you are used to seeing on the Market were due to the relatively small number of players that were in a position to farm the tomestones and spend them on mats rather than gear. Ever since they altered Wanderer's Palace to 'payout' the same number of Philosophy and Mythology stones as Amdapor Keep, it's become much much easier for every level 50 DoW player to farm them. The reason for the 'delay' was due to those new 50s needing time to gear up. Now that their main class is geared in Darklight and they have their Relic, they can farm the stones and buy the mats to sell.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive that even small FCs are starting to farm them in preparation of the FC Housing coming in 2.1. 100 philosophy tomes per run, average run for Wanderer's Palace with DL geared group is about 20 minutes (30 if they feel lazy). That's 300 an hour for just one group. Large FCs will probably have two or three groups in WP at a time. Just three groups, running WP over and over, can be clearing 900 tomes an hour (roughly). In three hours, every single one of the players in those three groups would have 900 tomes each. That's 3600 tomes per group, or 10800 total. That's 86 potash, in just three hours. From just three groups farming WP. Possibly from just one Free Company. I'm sure you can continue to follow the math as more and more FCs do this. And since most large FCs will have a level 50 crafter of each DoH class...

They've flooded the market. Supply is now outstripping Demand. That leads to lower prices. Don't believe me? Hop out to Mor Dhona and take a look at how many players there on your server are in at least partial Darklight. I'd bet it's most of them by far. There's probably /shouts from players seeking to sell their tome mats.

tl;dr The large number of players now at end game combined with a fast-running dungeon to farm has led to a glut of tome-bought crafting materials. THAT is the reason for the price drops. NOT duping.

[OptimalZedd]

But you are blind.

It is KNOWN there was a crafting without material ( packet injection) exploit. It has been corrected.

the problem is they didnt punish users, people who flooded market with cheap stuff are still here.

one guy is not even crafting anymore , just selling vanya silk etc... he still has ton

Please stop with the "i know economics" mentality

[Uldi]

Oh, then please link to the dev post about the duping correction. The only emergency maintenance I've seen recently concerning something like that was about the retainer hack.

Otherwise I suspect you still have no idea what happens when players start farming valuable mats in an organized fashion.

I'll also point something else out. Not everyone who crafts or sells mats are looking to be gilionaires. When I'm setting my prices, I ask myself 3 questions: 'How useful is this to other players?'; 'How rare is it?'; and 'How desirable by other players is it?' Take note that how long it took, or how much effort, is not a factor. This is because this is a video game played in leisure time, thus the amount of time is pretty irrelevant to me. I might look at current prices.

one guy is not even crafting anymore , just selling vanya silk etc... he still has ton

And is he a member of a Free Company? If yes, then he's probably been appointed the one to sell them on the Market on behalf of the entire FC. Again, FC housing won't be cheap and many are looking to be prepared ahead of time. It could also be a Market mule for the FC Master.

If no, then it still proves nothing. He could have stolen the mats from a former FC and transferred.

I just explained how a single FC, using three groups, can put up 86 potash for sale in just three hours. No exploit. Just 12 players willing to do it. Now imagine 20 such Free Companies, knowing that those mats (or the finished products) are going for, deciding to do the same. That's 1720 in just three hours' time. Everyone at 50 knows how valuable the tome mats are, they also know that the finished product might or might not be more valuable. That's a lot of competition for a small market. Especially since they are just selling to each other. No one else can use or is interested in those mats except for those with lvl 50 characters. The same people capable of getting those mats for themselves.

Please, show me a screenshot of the 'tons' of items being sold by one person.

[Arale]

Please, show me a screenshot of the 'tons' of items being sold by one person.

I can't respond to most of your post, but the server injection trick was an actual thing, several threads were here but SE took them down on the forums. I remember the night I found out about it. I was mid-reading threads and they just poofed. There won't be any evidence on these forums, but there should be some of the external links that were posted on other websites.

[Astarica]

People seem to think there's this cheater's cartel that sets price for illicitly obtained goods, so despite the fact that you can dupe items according to some guys, this said cartel is keeping price from dropping immediately. If I can craft stuff without mats, I'll put some Vanya Silks for 10K just because I can. The usual method of buying up cheap supplies is ineffective, because I can craft an infinite number of those items if I can dupe my mats, so I'll happily keep on crank out more Vanya Silk at 10K and see how long the said cartel is going to keep buying those up in an effort to control the price against my infinite supply.

[Uldi]

I can't respond to most of your post, but the server injection trick was an actual thing, several threads were here but SE took them down on the forums. I remember the night I found out about it. I was mid-reading threads and they just poofed. There won't be any evidence on these forums, but there should be some of the external links that were posted on other websites.

Frankly, that's apples and oranges. That was a hack that concerned leves, not Allagan tomestones. So they aren't applicable because the way the game and servers process leve turn-ins and tomestone turn-ins is different. Leves are treated as Quests, while tomestones/seals/gil are treated as Currency. The materials the OP is referring to can only be purchased by Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy.

Again, I need to see something that shows that this happened with tomestones. I'm not saying it can't be happening, but I'd need to see it work specifically on tomestones.