Why should people be able to gear up all roles at once?

[Vlady]

I am sorry but yeah the armory lets you seemlessly change your roles on a whim but why does everyone think you should be able to be BIS in every class and role at once when you are gearing up one role. The advertisement states you can change around and be anything you want when you want, but not the best geared at the same time.

I enjoy being a Scholar and am gearing for it. Do you think I would enjoy someone who geared as a tank all of a sudden getting a whim and stating he wants to be a Scholar in my static raid group and instantly have the gear I have worked on to try to force me to change roles? Getting full Dark light and relic is possibly the most easy thing in this mmo to get that you should not really care about being full BIS Allagan/Vanya/AF2 within a few weeks.

It is not that hard to gear for your other roles in a short amount of time. Please SE do not mistake constructive feedback for pure whining when this game is casual enough as it is.

[Alu79]

I am sorry but yeah the armory lets you seemlessly change your roles on a whim but why does everyone think you should be able to be BIS in every class and role at once when you are gearing up one role. The advertisement states you can change around and be anything you want when you want, but not the best geared at the same time.

I enjoy being a Scholar and am gearing for it. Do you think I would enjoy someone who geared as a tank all of a sudden getting a whim and stating he wants to be a Scholar in my static raid group and instantly have the gear I have worked on to try to force me to change roles? Getting full Dark light and relic is possibly the most easy thing in this mmo to get that you should not really care about being full BIS Allagan/Vanya/AF2 within a few weeks.

It is not that hard to gear for your other roles in a short amount of time. Please SE do not mistake constructive feedback for pure whining when this game is casual enough as it is.

Not sure I get what you are saying. Is someone in your set group trying to switch mains? Are they asking to need roll on gear for a role/class they are not in? I think I am missing something.

[Vlady]

No. Just an opinionated rant meant for general over healing forums. I feel sheepish putting it in here but some of my friends did state that they are bored of tanking in BC and wish they could just be the same geared as they did tanking and just go healer. I am just hearing more and more dpsers I join talk about how they should be able to build seperate tome points for tank/healing gear while gearing up their dps spec.

[peaches]

Because in this game, we are able to do everything one one character. On any other game you have the ability to gear up every character. They all have their own weekly "point" caps that they trade in for gear, and you could do all of them every week if you had time.

In this game you can totally do the same, you just need to do it on another character. But why? In a game where you can do everything on one character, why shouldn't we have a separate caps for each class? It would literally be the exact same thing as leveling that class on another character and gearing it up on another character.

[firepixiedarien]

In this game you can totally do the same, you just need to do it on another character. But why? In a game where you can do everything on one character, why shouldn't we have a separate caps for each class? It would literally be the exact same thing as leveling that class on another character and gearing it up on another character.

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[Zenaku]

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There no reasonable argument against that beside that you can in a way gear up two jobs. One getting coil item and then using myth to gear your second job. In my coil my main is set for DRG and Sub as BLM i play BLM for coil and i gear both without issue. Once the other BLM got the item the next time it drops i can get it pretty simple. Most items are now going free greed due to the fact that A they got the item for there main/sub or B: No one have it set for there main/sub. I understand not every coil party does this and that may be the issue people are getting. But you can still use your myth to gear the other job you want.

Once crystal tower come out that have better item then darklight you could gear every job you want. Seeing how to win coil you only need darklight for turn 1-4 only turn 5 is where you need allgan or AF-myth to win. Once there new turns of coil turn 5 would be super easy lol.

[Lisotte]

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but wouldn't your drg be twice as well geared if you used BOTH your myth and your coil gear on it? You're really either gimping both jobs a bit (as your doing), or gimping one a lot (which would be your blm in my example).

[Zenaku]

but wouldn't your drg be twice as well geared if you used BOTH your myth and your coil gear on it? You're really either gimping both jobs a bit (as your doing), or gimping one a lot (which would be your blm in my example).

What i said just does not apply to everyone i said it just to show that you could indeed geared more then one job.

How it work in my coil party we have a main and a sub my main is set for DRG and my Sub is set for BLM. The other BLM in our coil is set for main:BLM and Sub DRG. If we both set it for BLM we be fighting for the same item and one of us would be the most geared or we be half geared anyways just like we are now so at the end it does not matter. Both me and the other BLM are using our myth to geared out our BLM and only getting the best items. Seeing how not all allgan or AF is worth getting and mixing both is the best way to geared out your job.

So really at the end once he get item A the next time item A drop it goes to me. I have the Ring and the head item and the other BLM have one allgan over me. We both have BLM feet which is the same as allgan so that went free for anyone to get it. So at the end i'm getting geared for two jobs without it affecting my role in the party.

That why when you start doing coil party with the same people every week. You have to make sure everyone leave with something and can geared out more then just one job. Because that same set up may not work out later on when they release more coil turns that why i pick a long range and a close range dps so i can have the two dps type covered.

If i was playing wow i would just play one character to that geared out and then once that geared out play other one. But the best thing about this game is i could geared out more then one job. That and most allgan gear can be used by more then one job so i could in turn gear out more then 2 jobs like allgan item can be used by SMN so that 3 jobs right there. There pros and cons for having to play only one character to play all. But how SE have it set up the pros out does the cons if your party just does it smart.

[Sapphidia]

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Okay, here you go - You can obtain gear with Tomestones that can be used on multiple classes.

Sure, most people think of Tomestones as being purely for AF2, but there's plenty of stuff you can buy with Mythology tomes that can benefit more than one job. Got a warrior and a paladin at 50? A Hero's Ring of Fending helps both. Got a Relic you want to +1? The Mists can be used for anything.

I'm not saying you're wrong in principle with separate myth caps per class... but they'd need to make sure that EVERY SINGLE ITEM you can buy with Mythology tomes ONLY benefits ONE class. Otherwise players looking to optimise their character would be FORCED to level a second job to 50 and then spend the 300-myth-per-week from that class on buying things which could benefit their main.

Imainge a Paladin main who has White Mage and Warrior at 50 as alts. They'd ding 50, get their relic, spend all their Myth Tomes on Paladin AF2... whilst they also ding a White Mage 50, and spend 3 weeks of Myth tomes on 3xMists to +1 their PALADIN relics. In the meantime they'd use the myth tomes on their 50 Warrior to get Heros Rings/belts for their paladin. Result - the paladin has geared up three times as fast as another paladin with no alts.

By all means implement weekly caps per Job... but they'd need to overhaul the items buyable with Myth tomes first. And that would go against the current system of being able to buy some items with one week of tomes that benefit both (I'm personally looking forward to dinging my Warrior 50 and passing over a lot of the gear I've been grinding for my Paladin).

[hamsteak]

Because in this game, we are able to do everything one one character. On any other game you have the ability to gear up every character. They all have their own weekly "point" caps that they trade in for gear, and you could do all of them every week if you had time.

In this game you can totally do the same, you just need to do it on another character. But why? In a game where you can do everything on one character, why shouldn't we have a separate caps for each class? It would literally be the exact same thing as leveling that class on another character and gearing it up on another character.

exactly, the whole tomestones system in this game makes no sense because of this